Rotherham horror

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The striuctures that formed tis report now - have been a major reason for why this horror could unfold and was kept under the carpet for one and a half decades, beside victims sometimes showing up at the police and filing desperately information and name lists. Some girls were raped in group rapes and for half days long, most got raped frequently every week, some reported to have been raped by hundreds of men. One now 25 year old today was quoted with having said she was raped by 250 men - in one week. Her name list she filed at the police - is gone.

I have now completed the reading of the whole report and I could not buy your explanation. It is clearly just more complex and articulated than what you have just said above.

If I have to summarize my understanding (based only on the inquiry/report) I say that main culprit is ignorance followed by lack of professional training/preparation in the matter and finally lack of communication (between the different actors).
In fact, the inquiry shows that with those things taken care of the situation improved all along the years till today.

The section labeled "Organisational Culture" starting at pag. 113 of the inquiry is extremly enlightning about the unanticipated "complexities"... I warmly reccomend it.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Why is it that most of these files "disappeared" ? That the police and authorities looked the other way? Politicians remained silent? Note: as far as thge story is being told so far, the rapists all where linked to the Pakistani community and were members of a few Pakistani big families.

I could not take this either.
The inquiry shows that, in proportion, the biggest slice of the perpetrators belong to that community but by no means they are the only ones!

I strongly invite whoever is intrested to the specific aspect regarding the etnicity/culture/community of the perpetrators to download the inquiry and read the dedicated chapter (11 - Issues of ethnicity).

I have now completed the reading of the whole report and I could not buy your explanation.

Get used to it.
Though I think a major clue is "I have read a bit into that report"

I could not take this either.

When explanations are coloured by a mix of strange ideologies, conspiracy theories and personal agenda they rarely make sense to anyone apart from the individual giving the explanation.

As for your summarization, don't forget cost and complexity.

[mapuc]

I do NOT make guesses. We have had cases somehow like yours in England

Here it was in families and even here the authorities knew about it or should have known.

The persons who did this was convicted and the people working in that town made a inquiry and in that they free them self from any guilt

In Denmark there have been two cases and one in Sweden and in both cases the authorities in all three cases free them self.

Whatever it's a town in Denmark, Sweden, Germany or England the authorities will always find a way to free them self.

Markus

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Whatever it's a town in Denmark, Sweden, Germany or England the authorities will always find a way to free them self.

Markus

Yes, I agree that usually it is a reasonable educated guess to assume the local authorities behave in this way... I mean it could not be nice but it is common sense.

But in the specific case, namely the findings in the inquiry, I can only invite you again to read it. You will find specific misbehaviours and shortcomings of the accountable authorities clearly highlighted.

Also, there is and addendum that explains the methodology used not only in the conduct of the inquiry ityself but also in the process used to choose the people appointed to conduct it (to guarantee they are not affiliated (nor know) in any way with the local authorities and the actors on which they have to inquire about).

So first read ALL the document, then comment. And one thing is to contest the data presented in the inquiry base on a critic on the methodology they used to gather it, and another completly thing is to do the same just basing the critics on you own personal feeling/belief of the situation...

Well you can really do it if you want, we are on a public forum and it could also be intresting for some readers to know how do you personally feel and think about the matter, but it say nothing enlightening about the specific topic of this thread.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by banryu79

Yes, I agree that usually it is a reasonable educated guess to assume the local authorities behave in this way... I mean it could not be nice but it is common sense.

But in the specific case, namely the findings in the inquiry, I can only invite you again to read it. You will find specific misbehaviours and shortcomings of the accountable authorities clearly highlighted.

Also, there is and addendum that explains the methodology used not only in the conduct of the inquiry ityself but also in the process used to choose the people appointed to conduct it (to guarantee they are not affiliated (nor know) in any way with the local authorities and the actors on which they have to inquire about).

So first read ALL the document, then comment. And one thing is to contest the data presented in the inquiry base on a critic on the methodology they used to gather it, and another completly thing is to do the same just basing the critics on you own personal feeling/belief of the situation...

Well you can really do it if you want, we are on a public forum and it could also be intresting for some readers to know how do you personally feel and think about the matter, but it say nothing enlightening about the specific topic of this thread.

I have read little of it or what you call it read little here and little there.

It is NOT the report I'm talking about, it's the authorities that have been mentioned in the report.

I do hope that they will get what they deserve.

I don't know how accurate the English news paper are

Here in Denmark the Danish newspaper are not nice in their accusation

Here's a little phrase from a danish newspaper. Den korte avis(the short newspaper, a INTERNET based newspaper)

"According to this report the the major reason for the authorities' failure to protect those poor girls is that they would hate to be accused of being called racist!

These officials put all their political correctness prevail over the need for some extremely vulnerable young people who needed their protection"

Original scripture
"Ifølge rapporten var en væsentlig årsag til myndighedernes svigt af de stakkels piger, at man jo nødig ville beskyldes for at være racist!

Disse myndighedspersoner satte altså deres egen politiske korrekthed højere end hensynet til nogle ekstremt sårbare unge mennesker, der havde behov for deres beskyttelse"
(so you can use google translate)

That make my wanna cry there is absolutely no excuse what so ever

Markus

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Get used to it.
As for your summarization, don't forget cost and complexity.

Yes, but after reading the inquiry my impression is that "economic" aspect, even if a relevant factor in general, in this specif case was of secondary importance in the face of the truth about the whole affair not coming out in the light.

It is indeed very important now that they discover much of the facts and I hope they could get just enough resources (and use them efficently) to protect the children in the first place and help the abused ones.
Finally I hope they can arrest the perpetrators and put them in jails and slowly raise a sense af awarness in the local community and educate it (especially the specific minorities) about the problem of children abuse.

It's an issue with many faces, and one of them (but is just one) have to do with the culture.