Rotherham horror
 

This makes the round in German media, and I wonder why I read more of the grimful details in German media, than on for example the BBC. That the victims were raped, tortured, beaten, and spilled gasoline on. And that the scum doing this to them, were Pakistani. Britian is under suspicion of trying to talk down the ethnic dimension of this horror in order to not beign accused of "racism" (police going after ethnic spsects of certain migfraitoin backgrounds today always is acting Nazi-like, and racist, you now), or not to stir the peaceful blue water of ethnic integration and mutual multicultural tolerance and coexisting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=rotherham

Over one and a half decade, 1400 girls and 70 boys fell victim to this scum who apparently was almost protected by politicians and police authorities trying to prevent the crimes being brought to public attention.

The phenomenon is not purel yBritish, however. Throiughout Europe and especially in Germany, criminals with a certain migration background get descrbed as "persons" and men of some years of age, but even warrants in newspaper do not give any hint on skin colour and physical apperance anymore if the suspect is from the certain cultural sphere than on maps is painted in "oriental green". The public gets systematically prevented from realising that certain migrant groups (not all migrant groups but certain migrant groups - which always are the same migrant groups, strangely) are massively overrepresented in several different categories of crime. I call that political high treason, and betrayal of the own people.

The grim details are in the British media, they have been in the British media all through the inquiry and all through the numerous court cases.
So that means several years of comprehensive coverage of the grim details.
So a typical "why isn't it in the media " moan.

Do you mean Saville Harris Smith Hall .......and now alledgedly Cliff?

It's in the news here too

What I find awful is that the authorities are going to free them self from any responsibility- They are going to make some inquiry and in this report the authorities are free of any fault.

Markus

Read the report.
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/download...e_in_rotherham

See just how many bodies and individuals are found at fault(repeatedly)and responsible in this report you think clears them of fault and responsibility.
Interesting bit about the impact of crime targets set for police meaning that petty annoyances got higher priority than serious child sex abuse.

Haven't read the report, I guess its to horrible to read

Another thought
How many of these authorities that are mentioned in the report will either be accused or fired/replaced ?

Markus

it's a report

All those accused of failing in their duty or covering up their failings in the report are accused in the report.
As for being fired and replaced, how many bodies and individuals were removed and replaced in the timeframe of that report and replaced by more people and bodies who also failed to do their job?

Why not just read the thing instead of guessing what you think it says and making comments based on those guesses?

It's not horrible to read. At least it is a little boring (to read) in some parts (but very interesting to understand).

Thank you for posting the link to download the report.
I was not aware of the phenomenon, and I think it is one thing to be aware of and informed (comprehensivly informed) about.
Better: a thing one should read and understand BEFORE he starts to make comments, I agree.

I have read a bit into that report, it was linked to on severla pages from German newspapers.

Another nice exmaple how bureaucratic procedures and pedantism can give even the greatest horror a appearance of order and profanity and reasonable explanation. German history holds some lesson on that.

The striuctures that formed tis report now - have been a major reason for why this horror could unfold and was kept under the carpet for one and a half decades, beside victims sometimes showing up at the police and filing desperately information and name lists. Some girls were raped in group rapes and for half days long, most got raped frequently every week, some reported to have been raped by hundreds of men. One now 25 year old today was quoted with having said she was raped by 250 men - in one week. Her name list she filed at the police - is gone.

Why is it that most of these files "disappeared" ? That the police and authorities looked the other way? Politicians remained silent? Note: as far as thge story is being told so far, the rapists all where linked to the Pakistani community and were members of a few Pakistani big families.

I know that phenomenon of cowardy of the law and order state fromn some citie sin Germany as well. The police does no longer seriously dare to coifront organsied crime gans that in princples are foremd by just one or two big Afghan famlies with 100 or 200 members. The public is being lied to and systematically left in the dark about crimes committed by these clans. That way, the fairy tale of how good and well everything is, gets still promoted - and politicians get the votes they want.

Even from those whom they cover with their immoral opportunism.

Since it is about Pakistani rapists here, I remind of the headlines about India in recent months and years. A certain attitude towards women in some parts of the world is more naturally maintained, than in others - with India and Pakistan, and several Arab countries, being the dark hellholes of hostility against women.

I have now completed the reading of the whole report and I could not buy your explanation. It is clearly just more complex and articulated than what you have just said above.

If I have to summarize my understanding (based only on the inquiry/report) I say that main culprit is ignorance followed by lack of professional training/preparation in the matter and finally lack of communication (between the different actors).
In fact, the inquiry shows that with those things taken care of the situation improved all along the years till today.

The section labeled "Organisational Culture" starting at pag. 113 of the inquiry is extremly enlightning about the unanticipated "complexities"... I warmly reccomend it.

I could not take this either.
The inquiry shows that, in proportion, the biggest slice of the perpetrators belong to that community but by no means they are the only ones!

I strongly invite whoever is intrested to the specific aspect regarding the etnicity/culture/community of the perpetrators to download the inquiry and read the dedicated chapter (11 - Issues of ethnicity).

Get used to it.
Though I think a major clue is "I have read a bit into that report"

When explanations are coloured by a mix of strange ideologies, conspiracy theories and personal agenda they rarely make sense to anyone apart from the individual giving the explanation.

As for your summarization, don't forget cost and complexity.

I do NOT make guesses. We have had cases somehow like yours in England

Here it was in families and even here the authorities knew about it or should have known.

The persons who did this was convicted and the people working in that town made a inquiry and in that they free them self from any guilt

In Denmark there have been two cases and one in Sweden and in both cases the authorities in all three cases free them self.

Whatever it's a town in Denmark, Sweden, Germany or England the authorities will always find a way to free them self.

Markus

Please, read the inquiry
 

Yes, I agree that usually it is a reasonable educated guess to assume the local authorities behave in this way... I mean it could not be nice but it is common sense.

But in the specific case, namely the findings in the inquiry, I can only invite you again to read it. You will find specific misbehaviours and shortcomings of the accountable authorities clearly highlighted.

Also, there is and addendum that explains the methodology used not only in the conduct of the inquiry ityself but also in the process used to choose the people appointed to conduct it (to guarantee they are not affiliated (nor know) in any way with the local authorities and the actors on which they have to inquire about).

So first read ALL the document, then comment. And one thing is to contest the data presented in the inquiry base on a critic on the methodology they used to gather it, and another completly thing is to do the same just basing the critics on you own personal feeling/belief of the situation...

Well you can really do it if you want, we are on a public forum and it could also be intresting for some readers to know how do you personally feel and think about the matter, but it say nothing enlightening about the specific topic of this thread.

Yes, but after reading the inquiry my impression is that "economic" aspect, even if a relevant factor in general, in this specif case was of secondary importance in the face of the truth about the whole affair not coming out in the light.

It is indeed very important now that they discover much of the facts and I hope they could get just enough resources (and use them efficently) to protect the children in the first place and help the abused ones.
Finally I hope they can arrest the perpetrators and put them in jails and slowly raise a sense af awarness in the local community and educate it (especially the specific minorities) about the problem of children abuse.

It's an issue with many faces, and one of them (but is just one) have to do with the culture.

I have read little of it or what you call it read little here and little there.

It is NOT the report I'm talking about, it's the authorities that have been mentioned in the report.

I do hope that they will get what they deserve.

I don't know how accurate the English news paper are

Here in Denmark the Danish newspaper are not nice in their accusation

Here's a little phrase from a danish newspaper. Den korte avis(the short newspaper, a INTERNET based newspaper)

"According to this report the the major reason for the authorities' failure to protect those poor girls is that they would hate to be accused of being called racist!

These officials put all their political correctness prevail over the need for some extremely vulnerable young people who needed their protection"

Original scripture
"Ifølge rapporten var en væsentlig årsag til myndighedernes svigt af de stakkels piger, at man jo nødig ville beskyldes for at være racist!

Disse myndighedspersoner satte altså deres egen politiske korrekthed højere end hensynet til nogle ekstremt sårbare unge mennesker, der havde behov for deres beskyttelse"
(so you can use google translate)

That make my wanna cry there is absolutely no excuse what so ever

Markus

Thus far only one.