Drummer Lee Rigby killer appeals

[Cybermat47]

Adebolajo, 29, from Romford, east London, said he was a "soldier of Allah" and it was an act of war.

Ok then, let's see the records of when you declared war on some random person. You don't have any? Enjoy your life sentence then.

[Admiral Lutjens]

The 'religion' of peace...

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Admiral Lutjens

The 'religion' of peace...

While Islam does have some problems, let's not judge all Muslims by the actions of two extremists. Plus, the problems that Islam has are basically identical to the problems with Christianity, and my parents didn't kill me when I lost the faith

[Admiral Lutjens]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

While Islam does have some problems, let's not judge all Muslims by the actions of two extremists. Plus, the problems that Islam has are basically identical to the problems with Christianity, and my parents didn't kill me when I lost the faith

I would tend to agree, but I've been around the world and this simply isn't the case. Here in America, you have folks that come here and preach tolerance about Islam and such, when Islam itself is an intolerant ideology and is wholly incompatible with Western civilized society.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Admiral Lutjens

I would tend to agree, but I've been around the world and this simply isn't the case. Here in America, you have folks that come here and preach tolerance about Islam and such, when Islam itself is an intolerant ideology and is wholly incompatible with Western civilized society.

Well, I think that varies from person to person. My Mum once got a pamphlet from a Muslim which had a quote saying 'If a Muslim sees a Hindu in danger and does not help him, I will no longer consider that man my brother'. But I do agree with you to an extent. It certainly does seem that there are more Islamic extremists than in many other religions. The most notorious Christian extremists, Westboro Baptist Church, just whine about homosexuality, while Muslim extremists have killed thousands.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, I think that varies from person to person. My Mum once got a pamphlet from a Muslim which had a quote saying 'If a Muslim sees a Hindu in danger and does not help him, I will no longer consider that man my brother'. But I do agree with you to an extent. It certainly does seem that there are more Islamic extremists than in many other religions. The most notorious Christian extremists, Westboro Baptist Church, just whine about homosexuality, while Muslim extremists have killed thousands.

I think that's because most people in the west don't really care about religion any more, if this had taken place 1000 years ago we'd be having this conversation over a dead Muslim somewhere in Jerusalem, but we moved on, advanced socially and technologically, and expected the rest of the world to catch up to us, some did, some didn't.
I'd wager that in another 1000 years, religion will be completely different to how it's practiced now, heck, it might even be banned under an atheist government, who can say? But Christanity has just as much blood on its hands as Islam, and most of the other religions, because at the end of the day the religion is just an excuse used by people to kill other people, and there's no shortage of other reasons to use if you don't want to use religion.

[Admiral Lutjens]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, I think that varies from person to person. My Mum once got a pamphlet from a Muslim which had a quote saying 'If a Muslim sees a Hindu in danger and does not help him, I will no longer consider that man my brother'. But I do agree with you to an extent. It certainly does seem that there are more Islamic extremists than in many other religions. The most notorious Christian extremists, Westboro Baptist Church, just whine about homosexuality, while Muslim extremists have killed thousands.

Originally Posted by TarJak

Almost all religions and ideologies are intolerant in some form.

What's your definition of Western Civilised society? To some Saudi Arabia is a "Western civilised society".

Originally Posted by Oberon

I think that's because most people in the west don't really care about religion any more, if this had taken place 1000 years ago we'd be having this conversation over a dead Muslim somewhere in Jerusalem, but we moved on, advanced socially and technologically, and expected the rest of the world to catch up to us, some did, some didn't.
I'd wager that in another 1000 years, religion will be completely different to how it's practiced now, heck, it might even be banned under an atheist government, who can say? But Christanity has just as much blood on its hands as Islam, and most of the other religions, because at the end of the day the religion is just an excuse used by people to kill other people, and there's no shortage of other reasons to use if you don't want to use religion.

I agree that not all Muslims are onethesame, but nevertheless it is an outdated, surreal mindset where in what seems to be far more cases than not, a complete intolerance for anything other than Islam. In this country, there's a political ideology that is for things such as atheism/secularism and gay/women's rights and such whom disparage Christians and other religions with the sole exception of Islam because they're 'misunderstood and persecuted'.

The funny thing is, with Turkey being one of the few exceptions, in other Muslim countries, there are NO gay rights and few women's rights. Gays are executed and women are treated as property, which seems very hypocritical to me in regards to the aforementioned ideology. Christians don't do any of the such, but we welcome those folks here and then they insist we respect their illogical and incompatible thinking? That doesn't sit well with me. I've been in several Muslim countries and have seen a lot of this with my own eyes...if I went there and started preaching that they had to be tolerant of my Christian beliefs, I'd be thrown in the stockade or worse.

Christianity indeed does have blood on its hands, but the crusades were centuries ago, and religious growth abroad petered out in the successive centuries. Islam, on the other hand, is spreading rapidly throughout Europe and the West due to social programs and the West's tolerance. It's also spreading into areas that have had traditional religions such as Buddhism for thousands of years and causing serious conflicts.

If there's a hot spot in the world, more than likely it's because of Islam. I truly feel Islam is one the greatest dangers posed to civilized society today and in the future. It will not stop until it has infiltrated every society from within and uniting the world under a flag of Sharia law.

I've been to Saudi Arabia, and it's a fundamentalist society with no other rule of law than Sharia law. Sharia Law is incompatible with American society because it goes against our constitution. I'm not certain about you folks down under, but as for here...it's inherently dangerous. No religion in the world has more blood on its hands than Islam, and you can take that to the bank.