An apology to our allies.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Someone complains about party politics, and then spouts a partisan line.

No, i stated my opinion. The difference, which obviously goes far over your head, is that my conclusion on the issue was not regurgitated word for word by talking head democrats. I looked at the issue, studied the issue, studied both sides, and came to my own conclusion. And because i come to my own conclusions (unlike those who blindly follow talking heads like rush limbaugh, sean hannity, al sharpton, and chris matthews), there are issues in which i agree with democrats, issues in which i agree with republicans, and issues where i think both sides are either partially right or entirely wrong.

Just because you're so partisan it hurts, doesn't mean everyone that disagrees with you is too.

I'm not about to say I'm sorry for what the Zipheads that run this Country do.
So you got Spyed on. Big deal. Only reason anyone bitches is it's in the open. (Or is it?)
Spying has gone on since Man got Eyes.
Get over it, figure out how to prtect yourselves, and move on.
Cause no matter what you are told?
They will STILL Spy on you!

Because while it sounds like something that might have happened, I've read two good biographies on Franklin and I don't recall that. That could be my memory, or it could be because both authors left it out. I'd just like to know.

In that case.
The Jacobites, Frank Mclynn.
Jacobite spy wars, Hugh Douglas.

[Sailor Steve]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by privateer

I'm not about to say I'm sorry for what the Zipheads that run this Country do.

Most of us Euros are perfectly capable to differ between your government and your citizens - that's why we applaud your leaders when they visit and tar and feather any Yank we can get our hands on when we see them in the streets.

Does that mean I should apologize for the Priests that play with little boys even though I'm not Catholic?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by privateer

Does that mean I should apologize for the Priests that play with little boys even though I'm not Catholic?

As a Reverend I say: Do that which is right!

(The applause smiley in my former post was sincere: no need to apologize as long as you're not one of those zipperheads. )

Ok. Cool!
I just didn't want to visit and get tarred and feathered in public.
I try to keep that kind of stuff in the bedroom.

No. After awhile, i stopped reading carefully, and just started to skim, because I was pretty sure whatever you had to say, I wasn't going to like it.

If ever there was any doubt about you having a closed mind since you "discovered" politics its certainly answered.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Just because you're so partisan it hurts, doesn't mean everyone that disagrees with you is too.

I'm partisan? You need to look in the mirror. Your oozing hardline democrat between the lines almost every time you post.

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Says the diehard republican living in Utah. If you're going to push that fallacy like you have many times in the past, at least don't be so obviously hypocritical.

And here you just proved that you are hardcore partisan.

How's that view from california?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'm partisan? You need to look in the mirror. Your oozing hardline democrat between the lines almost every time you post.

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And here you just proved that you are hardcore partisan.

So your proof that i'm partisan is that i used the SAME fallacy you did to try and slander me to prove a point? Are you serious?

Notice how i never once took sides with the democrats on immigration. notice how i never took their side on affirmative action, or Arizona's SB 1070. notice how ive been saying that the ACA needs big reform and that it doesn't fix the biggest issue in healthcare which is the cost. I think that welfare should be reformed to weed out the moochers. While i questioned the importance of owning selective-fire rifles, i never condoned its banning nor do i believe other guns should be banned, if anything only regulated to close the gunshow loophole. I also pointed how i thought that the democrats in sacramento have severely damaged this state.

And i disagree with the democrats on these issues because i came to my own conclusion, free of both parties.

You, on the other hand, rarely ever point out republican incompetence and selectively only try to slander democrats, or anyone you label a democrat because they take an opposing viewpoint. I also cannot recall a single major issue you part ways with republicans on.

How can you accuse others of partisanship when you yourself are a self-proclaimed republican?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

So your proof that i'm partisan is that i used the SAME fallacy you did to try and slander me to prove a point? Are you serious?

Whatevver. I've had you pegged for a hardliner democrat for a LONG time now. They way I have you figured, when it comes to living in a total democrat utopia, with no guns, no individual rights, and a total herd mentality, I think you'll be the first in line. I half expect you to tell me i need to "evolve". A line that the progressive types use all too often.

Notice how i never once took sides with the democrats on....

No. After awhile, i stopped reading carefully, and just started to skim, because I was pretty sure whatever you had to say, I wasn't going to like it. Ever notice how my replies tend to be short and direct?

And i disagree with the democrats on these issues because i came to my own conclusion, free of both parties.

You disagree with the democrats? You just stood there and basicaly spouted the democratic obamabot line of how he's trying to help the american people but can't because those evil republicans! That is a load of crock! He's a lying and manipulative bastard.

You, on the other hand, rarely ever point out republican incompetence and selectively only try to slander democrats, or anyone you label a democrat because they take an opposing viewpoint. I also cannot recall a single major issue you part ways with republicans on.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's the Democrats and the Obama administration that is pushing for bigger government, with farther reaching authority into our individual lives. It's this current government that is largely influenced by the democrats that is pissing on our enumerated rights, every chance it gets, and not all of it makes the major news outlets. If 1984 is ever going to make that transition from political rhetoric to cold hard reality, i strongly believe it's the democrats and the liberal progressive types that will get us there. So I see the republicans, though they are not guilt free, as the lesser of the two evil's in this regard.

How can you accuse others of partisanship when you yourself are a self-proclaimed republican?

I NEVER said I was a republican. Ever.

Three things I strongly dislike right now is this current government, Obama and California, and I see all three as far left, with one jaunt over to the red with the patriot act. Something from the far right, i freaking hate. To say nothing of the NDAA.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Whatevver. I've had you pegged for a hardliner democrat for a LONG time now. They way I have you figured, when it comes to living in a total democrat utopia, with no guns, no individual rights, and a total herd mentality, I think you'll be the first in line. I half expect you to tell me i need to "evolve". A line that the progressive types use all too often.

Whatever. And I've had YOU pegged as hardliner republican. Yet according to you, Im completely wrong about my presumptions but you're completely right about yours, even though yours include the idea that california is a dystopian oligarchy run by communist liberals whose sole purpose is to oppress the people, and that anyone living here MUST share those same ideals, right?

You make pathetic attempts to try and somehow slander my credibility through what state i live in, but then figure that your credibility couldnt possibly be slandered in a simliar manner because...why? You're somehow above your own deplorable argument? By your own argument, simply your state of residence determines your character and the only things you can believe. So you living in Utah would, by your own argument, be just as much grounds for republican indoctrination as california would be democrat indoctrination. Yet you somehow still do not see the fallacy in your argument and you keep pushing an idea that you consider yourself exempt from because apparently you're just that special.

No. After awhile, i stopped reading carefully, and just started to skim, because I was pretty sure whatever you had to say, I wasn't going to like it. Ever notice how my replies tend to be short and direct?

"Ill just skim over everything you say because i dont agree with it and take statements out of context so i can summarize it into my own words to try and jab at your credibility with fallacies"

You disagree with the democrats? You just stood there and basicaly spouted the democratic obamabot line of how he's trying to help the american people but can't because those evil republicans! That is a load of crock! He's a lying and manipulative bastard.

And you just stand there and basically spout the republican line about how Obama is the biggest evil this country has ever seen, and that they want to ban all guns and oppress and enslave you, and the ACA doesn't benefit any American and we dont need healthcare reform.

But then youre going to try and say that you dont just spout off lines and that youre just such an enlightened individual who HAPPENS to agree with republicans on the majority of issues. But when you accuse me of the same thing and i claim the same disassociation i must be delusional and brainwashed, right?

Maybe you should actually read for once instead of skimming over everything and highlighting whatever you wanted so you can take it out of context.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's the Democrats and the Obama administration that is pushing for bigger government, with farther reaching authority into our individual lives. It's this current government that is largely influenced by the democrats that is pissing on our enumerated rights, every chance it gets, and not all of it makes the major news outlets. If 1984 is ever going to make that transition from political rhetoric to cold hard reality, i strongly believe it's the democrats and the liberal progressive types that will get us there. So I see the republicans, though they are not guilt free, as the lesser of the two evil's in this regard.

And its the Republicans and the house majority who essentially want pre-depression hands-off government. Pffft, Healthcare reform, who needs THAT? Pfft a liveable retirement income, what a scam. Pffft, corporations screwing over their workers? That doesnt happen. Corporations gambling billions of dollars that wasnt theirs causing economic crisis? What a bunch of finger pointing. What the republicans envision isn't free and fair capitalism, it's "Im at the top, ive gotten mine, so screw you." You want to talk about pissing on rights, what about the right to fair market and my rights as a working consumer?

Neither side is really a lesser evil. They are both terrible extremist options who expect your cooperation with every issue or else you aren't a true team player. Which is why i dont associate with either.

I NEVER said I was a republican. Ever.

Three things I strongly dislike right now is this current government, Obama and California, and I see all three as far left, with one jaunt over to the red with the patriot act. Something from the far right, i freaking hate. To say nothing of the NDAA.

So you claim to adopt the moderate views of both sides, and the fact that you agree with the majority of issues with republicans is coincidence. Yet when i claim the same exact thing, im a liar who is just some robot hardline democrat in denial? Why? Because you say so? Because you know what i believe better than i do?

[TarJak]

Now now kiddies you're both starting to sound like members of Congress. Or is it just members thumping the table?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Now now kiddies you're both starting to sound like members of Congress. Or is it just members thumping the table?

Eh, what? I didn't get past the second sentence of that wall of text. The second sentence was enough to see where the rest was going. In any event, I'll resolve this issue right now; by adding that (colorful noun) from the most broken state in America to my ignore list and be done with it. I should have done this months ago. I have no time or patience for his ilk.