Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[soopaman2]

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Dave and Barry have a half a testicle between them.

My motive behind my opposition of any action, by my county at least, is my war wearyness.

I lost in the last wars, for zero gain to the common people.

We did not liberate Iraq Or Afghanistan, they hate us even more now. We are occupiers, barely tolerated.(by gunpoint)

What makes any of the warhawks think this is any different, unless you got alot of oil stock...

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.



I passively linked to this video few pages ago, but since im bored i'll point it out directly. I have to give the author of this video some credit. Even if watching this with the metaphorical grain of salt (or the entire damn salt shaker), he seems plays connect the dots quite well. What I note is that it was made a year ago and seems to be somewhat accurate on current events. That said, it's still conspiracy theory. Even if it's not, there's not much to be done at this point except sit back and watch events unfold and hope for the best.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.

This is a brilliant and educating clip and it sums up the hole mess perfectly.
Everybody should watch, understand and act accordingly.

Awesome find Ducimus!
I hope you don't mind I put it in my signature.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am starting to wonder if the conspiracy theorists have it right. If your bored, here's a 14 minute video made a year ago that play's connect the dots in a dramatic fashion, and perhaps morbidly entertaining to watch.



I passively linked to this video few pages ago, but since im bored i'll point it out directly. I have to give the author of this video some credit. Even if watching this with the metaphorical grain of salt (or the entire damn salt shaker), he seems plays connect the dots quite well. What I note is that it was made a year ago and seems to be somewhat accurate on current events. That said, it's still conspiracy theory. Even if it's not, there's not much to be done at this point except sit back and watch events unfold and hope for the best.

I haven't finished watching the video yet, but it's plausible. Still a conspiracy theory, like you say, but a very well researched and presented one. I take it with a pinch of salt, as I do all conspiracy theories, and, like you say, even if it isn't one then there's not a great deal us little people can do.
In my opinion we are seeing the end of the American empire, it may culminate in a big war or it may come peacefully, but it is definitely coming. The 20th century was Americas century, the US had the prime spot from the early 1900s onwards, entering WWI at the closing stages so that the manpower bleed in the meatgrinder wasn't servere enough to cause economic problems in peacetime, and managing to get through all of WWII with scarcely a single bomb dropped on the industrial heartland, meanwhile Europe and Japan were both smashed into pieces through conflict and industrial centers turned into ruins. This has given the US a big advantage and it has taken it and run with it, but since the fall of Rome an Empire can scant last more than a century and we are seeing the transition take place. Before America, it was Britain that held that spot, from the early 1800s through to the end, we defeated the French, humbled other European powers and went all colonial on most of Southern Africa, and then we hit the brick wall that was World War One, and that was the end of our Empire. Before us, I would say that France held the spot, but then lost it in the bloody revolution of the late 1700s, and before France, I would have to say it was the Dutch, the 1600s are traditionally known as the Dutch Golden Age, and before them, probably the Holy Roman Empire, before the Thirty Years war blunted them. Before the HRE it was the Italians, and before them it was likely somewhere in Eastern Asia or South-Eastern Asia while Europe lingered in the Dark ages. At some point in between you have the Byzantines as a candidate, but we all know what happened to them.

Sad to say that most downfalls of Empires do occur around a drastic event, one can hope, if this should be the end of Americas century, that the drastic event was 9/11 and that there will be no more events of mass casualties, but I do fear that this will not be the case.
In terms of who the 21st century belongs to...hard to say, probably either South America, China or the Middle East. The next decade or two will tell.

[mapuc]

If the allied have to send fighters and bombers into Syria, do you think that the Syrian air force could be threat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force

and not to forget their air defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Expect that most of the air defense and their air force may be heavy damaged after the tomahawk campaign.

But there after...

If I was Assad I would let the west bomb my old air force (MIG 21 and MIG 23) my modern air force I would hide very very deep under ground.

After this tomahawk campaign I would take every plane I have left from my old air force fleet and some of the new fighters load them with long range ASM(IF they have some) and AA-missiles

I'll do the same with my air defense. Activate it when the Allied fighters and bombers comes.

Markus

[eddie]

I would ask the Israeli's how they get around this so called dangerous SAM defense the Syrians are supposed to have!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by eddie

I would ask the Israeli's how they get around this so called dangerous SAM defense the Syrians are supposed to have!

[Platapus]

All that time and effort to get the model to pose just right, only to blow the punch line.

Meshuggeneh is Yiddish for a crazy lady

Meshuggener is Yiddish for a crazy man

The correct word for this poster would be Meshuggah It means crazy.

Who ever first made this poster is a Nebish.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The correct word for this poster would be Meshuggah It means crazy.

Who ever first made this poster is a Nebish.

I wondered the same thing, but it was a better punch line than most of them. Although this one was pretty good:





In other news, the UK government has revised its timetable to allow UN weapons inspectors to report on their findings and the UNSC to examine them. So tomorrows vote in parliament will not be an action to arms, but more a 'Well, should we do something?' which will be followed at a later date by a vote of 'Shall we bomb them?'
Looks like Labour might well have learnt from its time in power about one thing at least.

Time will tell if the US does a LEEEEEEEEEEEROY JEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS again though.

[Platapus]

So the headlines are now saying that the US has decided that Syria has used chemical weapons... Let me guess, its a slam dunk.

Guess President Obama will get us involved in another ME conflict. Be kinda hard to blame this one on Bush.

I wonder if President Obama will bother going through the War Powers Act this time? And I wonder if the congress will hold the president accountable for following the WPA?

Smart money is betting no on both.

But the Syrian poor huddled masses yearning to breath free are yearning and breathing on oil reserves, so our duty is clear. We must take action!

This time we won't make the same mistakes that we did in the Invasion of Iraq NO!

This time we will get the oil contracts in writing before liberating the masses.

So Mr. President, other than oil, is there anything in Syria that is worth a single American life?

[Tchocky]

As far as I know there's not that much oil at all in Syria and almost all of what it does produce goes to Europe.

Oil being fungible and everything - applying that rationale to warfare doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If the allied have to send fighters and bombers into Syria, do you think that the Syrian air force could be threat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Force

and not to forget their air defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Air_Defense_Force

Expect that most of the air defense and their air force may be heavy damaged after the tomahawk campaign.

But there after...

If I was Assad I would let the west bomb my old air force (MIG 21 and MIG 23) my modern air force I would hide very very deep under ground.

After this tomahawk campaign I would take every plane I have left from my old air force fleet and some of the new fighters load them with long range ASM(IF they have some) and AA-missiles

I'll do the same with my air defense. Activate it when the Allied fighters and bombers comes.

Markus

Airforce is debatable, depends on how much of it is usable. Saddam had some good jets, but he decided to bury them all, presumably to avoid detection and destruction...but it also seems he forgot to dig them up again until after it was too late.
Air defence is fairly potent, the mobile SAMs will be harder to take out with TLAMs than the static launchers, but if they leave their radars on too long then a HARM will do the job.
That's not to say that it'd be a cakewalk, there's risk, there's always risk, if they put people over Syrian airspace then people may die, that is war after all, but there's only so much you can do with cruise missiles.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's not to say that it'd be a cakewalk, there's risk, there's always risk, if they put people over Syrian airspace then people may die, that is war after all, but there's only so much you can do with cruise missiles.

, and only so much you can do from the air in general.

[mapuc]

When reading my friends posting on FB and reading the news I understand that there are a great fear that it could spread the war to the whole middle east and maybe a war between Russia and the west. I guess they got this fear by reading some of the international news

To those people I say do not fear

Yes some politician/militarian from Iran may say so and so and some other from that area may so this and that- That's typical middle east rhetoric

This is what's going to happen when such an attack have been made

Some pro Assad groups may send some mortar and rockets into Israel we can expect an increase of rockets and mortar from Palestine areas

Russia and China is calling their ambassador home for consultation-they will however be back after a few days or so

That's what going to happen

Iran would not be that mad and jeopardize their enrichment of uranium, by attacking Israel. Israel is just waiting for an excuse to attack Iran.

The iranian leader would of course speak with big words and calling for a crusade against Israel.

That's the most plausible outcome.

Markus

Originally Posted by August

, and only so much you can do from the air in general.

What's the old saying?
You don't own the ground until you put boots on it.