Ephraim and Manasseh - Do you think they are England and America?

[Hottentot]

The hilarious reality there, Dowly, is that I didn't come up with those arguments myself. Instead they were actual thoughts proposed by the nationalists of the 19th century. The same people who studied the Bible very thoroughly and came to the conclusion that the Finns are direct descendants of Abraham.

I think I don't need to elaborate the point of that post any further.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I think I don't need to elaborate the point of that post any further.

I wish you would, though. That was fun.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I wish you would, though. That was fun.

As per your request, Steve, though it wasn't anything deeper than life. The original post to me didn't make much sense and frankly seemed to have an in-built idea that the world revolves around the English speaking world (could have been my imagination as well, but that was the initial impression I went by). So I instead offered an alternative theory of the world revolving around Finland, which didn't make any more sense either.

And as I said, neither of those "arguments" I proposed were my own. They were serious science to people who advocated them in the name of the 19th century Finnish nationalism. Even if I didn't mention it in that post, the Bible was a huge source for these folks as well. After all, they firmly believed (like most people back then in here) that the Bible contained the truth about the early history of the world among other things, and therefore it was only logical to try to find out how the newly formed Finnish people were related to Abraham. And unsurprisingly they managed to "find out" that the answer is: "directly", because it's of course the best answer you can get.

Lots of things can be proven. While that may have not been the original intention of this thread, still the original question to me wasn't much different from asking "are Finns descended from Abraham" or "Is Finnish the original language spoken before the Babel".

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

As per your request, Steve, though it wasn't anything deeper than life. The original post to me didn't make much sense and frankly seemed to have an in-built idea that the world revolves around the English speaking world (could have been my imagination as well, but that was the initial impression I went by). So I instead offered an alternative theory of the world revolving around Finland, which didn't make any more sense either.

And as I said, neither of those "arguments" I proposed were my own. They were serious science to people who advocated them in the name of the 19th century Finnish nationalism. Even if I didn't mention it in that post, the Bible was a huge source for these folks as well. After all, they firmly believed (like most people back then in here) that the Bible contained the truth about the early history of the world among other things, and therefore it was only logical to try to find out how the newly formed Finnish people were related to Abraham. And unsurprisingly they managed to "find out" that the answer is: "directly", because it's of course the best answer you can get.

Lots of things can be proven. While that may have not been the original intention of this thread, still the original question to me wasn't much different from asking "are Finns descended from Abraham" or "Is Finnish the original language spoken before the Babel".

Enough of your book-learning witchery, Eurotrash. My fingers are firmly planted in both my ears and eyes, while a clip holds shut my nostrils. I will not have any of my senses subjected to this. I type this by mashing my jaw into the keyboard, like all true God-fearing patriots.

Note to Neal: We need a angry-pointing emoticon. It would have been awesome at the end of my rant.

[Hottentot]

I may be Eurotrash, but at least I know who my grand grand grand grand (insert mucho lots of "grand") grand daddy is.

Though now that this thread inspired me to go through my notes on this subject again, I see I made a little error: they didn't trace us to Abraham, but instead to Noah. Specifically the Finns are descended from Noah's grandson Magog. Oh well. I suppose that explains why we like building wooden boats and sailing them aimlessly around our lakes. Alcohol has nothing to do with the latter. No sirree!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I may be Eurotrash, but at least I know who my grand grand grand grand (insert mucho lots of "grand") grand daddy is.

I know exactly who he is. My family tree is a straight line. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to brush my teeth; ol' chomper needs a scrubbin'.

Though now that this thread inspired me to go through my notes on this subject again, I see I made a little error: they didn't trace us to Abraham, but instead to Noah. Specifically the Finns are descended from Noah's grandson Magog. Oh well. I suppose that explains why we like building wooden boats and sailing them aimlessly around our lakes. Alcohol has nothing to do with the latter. No sirree!

I was always amused by Biblical names that didn't take. We could have mothers naming their boys Magog, Hazarmaveth and Arphaxad.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I was always amused by Biblical names that didn't take. We could have mothers naming their boys Magog, Hazarmaveth and Arphaxad.

As if we needed even more names based on the Bible. I have always found this site very fascinating when wanting to know the etymologies or the naming customs of different people. But it has also traced so many names back to the Bible that it's not even funny. Most of the Finnish ones as well.

Which, on the other hand, has convinced me that my parents intentionally played a practical joke on me when they gave me three names (instead of the usual two) of which not even one is derived from the Bible. Then again, my family in the ancient past also decided to choose a surname combined from two distinct landmarks which we don't really even have anywhere in the country, so I guess we just like doing everything backwards.

[Cybermat47]

You have an interesting theory, Simmy. I doubt that it's true, but I don't have any proof of your theory being incorrect.