Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Washington1331]

I am at the point where I wish all sides of this debate would just live and let live.

I miss NRA president Charelton Heston, "Guns don't kill people... damn dirty apes with guns kill people." (Think Planet of the Apes)

As a lifetime member of the NRA, Wayne LaPierce is not my favorite and I definately do not think that the organization handled recent events in the best they could. The publicist who came up with that statement about Sandy Hook Elementary should be slapped.

I don't think that in today's political landscape the NRA can afford not to be a little arrogant. Politicans will do what they can to milk every tragedy or situation to make a name for themselves and support the agenda of the people who contribute to their electorial campains. Its a slippery slope and if you give too easy on any one issue, that inch you conceded will suddenly become a mile. That is why I believe that the NRA fights over everything so hard, makes assine statements, and at times even bewilders its members with what comes out of Wayne LaPierce's mouth. It makes those members of Congress think twice about wanting to deal with a long and protracted fight. Being that way allows the NRA to suffer a minor defeat and still win a tactical victory.

Now there's talk about having each firearm owner being required to purchase a million dollar insurance policy to cover both accidental and intentional injuries caused by that person's guns. So, I and people like me pay more money for something that the majority of people doing the murdering will never purchase. Go and try to find an insurance company that will underwite intentional/criminal use of a firearm. You won't. BRILLIANT!

I personnally think that each member of Congress should be required to pay for insurance against visits from the "Bad Idea Fairy". The premium should be calculated to cost the exact amount of their 100% pension and cadillac health care value. DO I HEAR A SECOND?!?!?

[Wolferz]

Maybe non-committal is the entire problem...
Non committal of the mentally ill that is.

It seems to me that 100% of the actors in these mass murder sprees is mentally ill. Restriction of gun ownership will not stop the insane from doing what they do. There are far too many ways available to mass murder people. The NRA serves its function. The Federal government, not so much.

The only gun control I subscribe to is hitting what I aim at and insuring that my guns are not accessible to a wack job.

Finger pointing is a self deprecating exercise because you will notice that you have three more fingers that are pointed at yourself.

Technically, the only cause of gun violence is desperation coupled with hatred and a glaring lack of long term mental health infrastructure to head off the borderline psychotic before he stews long enough to pop the pressure cooker lid of modern society.

NRA arrogant? No. Fanatics? Yes. But I loathe labels so I place none on the NRA other than their moniker.

If one freedom is surrendered for a false safety, the rest will slip through our fingers like sand.
The founders were adamant and thorough in their drafting of the constitution and the amendments that followed. They should not be given up so lightly, just because a few crazy people abused them.
Possession of firearms is a freedom that also comes with an obligation.
Freedom is only an inch away from anarchy. Denial of freedom will insure it.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The 'Sun News Network' is a slightly to the right organization that is sometimes refered to as "Fox News North." A little biased.

Originally Posted by Betonov

Intersting link.

Now really, how come Canada has such a lower gun violence rate than the US, despite allowing Canadians to bear arms ??

Canada has different gun laws to begin with. Canada's Gun laws are federal and uniform across the country. Most U.S. laws vary from state to state. That being said, Canada and Connecticut have very similar stances when it comes to back ground checks, safety courses and mental health history. Connecticut has very restrictive gun controls but it didn't stop the Sandy Hook killings.

Canada has about 1/3 the guns per capita than the USA. I've lived here all my life and have never felt the need to arm myself for protection.

Different culture, different mindset. Maybe I'm not sure. But don't think for a moment that a 'Sandy Hook' type incident couldn't happen here. God forbid, but it could happen anywhere.

So the first bit, when he was facing charges he had to give up his guns, when he was aquitted he got his guns back.
Sounds exactly like that law they have in "no restrictions" Vermont.
Middle bit, scary stories.
Last bit, if you choose to operate a criminal business enterprise your assets can be siezed as the proceeds of crime.

[Glock30Eric]

If we lose our 2nd amendment for everyone and then you should be expecting a second civil war. I will be there fighting for the 2nd amendment's right.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Intersting link.

Now really, how come Canada has such a lower gun violence rate than the US, despite allowing Canadians to bear arms ??

As mentioned, there are some pretty big cultural differences. We don't have quite the same gun culture that the states does. There are also cultural differences in how we interact with others, we tend to be more conciliatory, and are less prone to standing our ground (unless there is good reason to). Fights are less common too I think.

Other differences are much lower poverty rates and levels, and far fewer numbers of weapons are available, and most firearms that are available are not well suited for criminal acts.

Canada has had it's share of school shootings as well, but they have generally had much lower casualty numbers, due to the shooters being limited to 5 round weapons.

Canadian criminals also do not have very good access to firearms. Typically only organized crime members have access to serious firearms (full size clips, pistols, smg's. assault rifles, etc.) and those weapons are not very common and expensive to acquire since they have to be smuggled in from the States.

Also our national gun laws prevent what is a serious problem in the US, and the major source of most firearms used by criminals. Since gun laws are state imposed, there is wild fluctuation in the laws and standards. Most criminal arms dealers in the US, buy their weapons from states that have very lax gun laws and no registration or background check (particularly at gun fairs). They then smuggle these weapons into other states with tighter gun laws (like New York), or other countries (Canada and Mexico primarily).

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I think its mainly hot air.
I think both sides supporters recycle the same meaningless catch phrases(parrot fodder), use the same cut and pastes of dubious "proof" without actually reading it, checking the sources or even thinking.
I think too many people start with an emotional arguement and then progressively(or regressively) get more emotional on the topic.
I think that the first stage must be getting fundamental to establish the basic truths then developing the details on from that level.
I think that far too often people accept the basics, but then reject the basics when their emotions get the better of them once it comes to the details.

That is what I think of the gun control issue.

Well said


As for the "news" article Ducimus posted. To be honest, that guy likely receives a ton of ridicule in Canada, as he sounds like he is trying to be the Canadian version of Glen Beck. I couldn't even finish the clip it was so bad.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Glock30Eric

I will be there fighting for the 2nd amendment's right.

The second amendment doesn't have any rights. It is a right.

[Glock30Eric]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

The second amendment doesn't have any rights. It is a right.

Yeah. The point is that the liberals are crushing the second amendment right now. I was trying to say that if they take the second amendment out so they should take me out as well.

[Takeda Shingen]

Let's all try to stay away from the insurrection talk. Thanks.

The Management

I was trying to say that if they take the second amendment out so they should take me out as well.

So will it be dinner or a trip to the theatre to see a show?

@Samurai

I couldn't even finish the clip it was so bad.

You should watch it to the end, it is worth it.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So will it be dinner or a trip to the theatre to see a show?

@Samurai

You should watch it to the end, it is worth it.

And after can we have a nice walk through the park. Glock take it easy don't give these guys any more fodder they will just turn and twist it around on you, the best way to get under their skin is to tell the truth and show the truth, as sun light is to a vampire,, so is the truth to a liberal, so the world is coming to a end because the government has to cut spending by 2% wow,, I guess that's 2% less chance I get groped at the airport, keep up the good fight.

Originally Posted by Betonov

Intersting link.

Now really, how come Canada has such a lower gun violence rate than the US, despite allowing Canadians to bear arms ??

Canadians don't live in fear...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Canadians don't live in fear...

No, they live in Canada, eh?

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Oberon

No, they live in Canada, eh?

to cold up there to go out and kill anyone,,, here in central Florida that's another story 6 or 7 shootings in the Orlando area this weekend I guess we want to give Chicago a run for their money

[yubba]

Or that people die in fist fights, so lets cut everybodies hands off, that would be a 2 for 1 no fists and no trigger fingers look at all the lives I've saved damn I should get the peace prize for that..