Is Westboro Baptist Church a hate group?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I tend to agree about tax-exemptions for belief, but here you are insisting on limiting freedom of speech. You can turn anyone away from your own door, and you can tell anyone who approaches you in public to leave you alone. You cannot make a law preventing them from trying to talk to you.

Being called at home for advertising something once or twice a year, is nothing I keep my mind busy with.

Being called several times per week, seeing campaigns by the according companies to change laws on behalf of their interests and people not buying them getting discriminated and demanded to be stripped of freedoms and rights that others take for granted for themselves - that is something different.

Yes, I demand not to be approached constantly as long as I have not asked and have not invited them. I understand missionising to be an act of aggression. Even more so since it is one of its principles not to encourage questions and critical reflection, but to paralyse both and instead push a pre-fabricated message along the neurons's axons.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Skybird

instead push a pre-fabricated message along the neurons's axons.

A pre-fabricated message...telling you to love everybody, which is what most people already do, is something that you're sick and tired of?

[soopaman2]

Where does it end?

Where is our right to strike back?

Their "god hates fags" crap echoed over so many funerals of American war dead, Where is my justice? Where is my fair play?

These people blame all the ills of American society on Homosexuals, seriously???

When I blame all our ills on religious Christian extremists.


So it does not end, they blame me, I blame them, though in this particular case, the idiocy is clearly on their side. (for once)

Jesus taught above all, forgiveness.

The one thing religious extremists like this lack, and the eventual downfall of America, mark my words.


Edit: for the record, pork and shellfish is off limits too, but the queer haters never bring that up when they quote Leviticus and Deutoronomy, as well as sleeping with an unclean woman, (on the rag) something we all did.

I have a feeling someone will be along to clean this up and chastize my bluntness, since I am no friend of mods around here. (Yeah you,)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

A pre-fabricated message...telling you to love everybody, which is what most people already do, is something that you're sick and tired of?

Oh the irony in this question.

The answer cannot be any different than "Yes"...!

Serious now. I refuse to love everybody for sure. It's a violation of my sense of reason to love jst everybody, and it also is beyond my capacity and strength to love 7 billion people, counting. Let's be honest, all the world is a little too much for our human shoulders, let's chose some more realistic proportions then. I like some people - and others I don't. I tolerate some people - and some I don't. And I believe in the good of a some people - but not in something good in all people. Some are to be handled with care - some are just scum.

And many religious sectarians tell you that you will be loved only if you believe the right things - theirs. Many institutions do that, too, and threaten you with hellfire and eternal doom if you don't.

And be honest - does it really need a religion to tell you to treat the other friendly if he treats you friendly, too? Haven't you already come to that idea all by yourself, long before the first religion knocked on your door?

Religious dogma of this or that sect, school, dogma - it all is prefabricated stuff for sure, tailored to support the club'S claim for power, control over people and their minds, and special status given to them and demands announced that all other should believe what they believe, else...! Superstitious retaliation in the next life at best, oppression and discrimination and progroms in already this profane present reality at worst. Save me!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

A pre-fabricated message...telling you to love everybody, which is what most people already do, is something that you're sick and tired of?

That is not what religious proselytizers say...none of them. They try to convince you that their way of belief is the only way, and that you need to join them. The message of love is almost never mentioned. Perhaps at your young age you've never been aggressively approached by dozens of different persuasions of believers over a period of several years, but once you're an adult you will find all types of people trying to convince you that your way is wrong and their way is right.

To be honest, I sympathize with them up to a point, since if you truly believe that not believing as you do results in a quick trip to hell then you want to save as many people from that fate as you can, but it does get old after awhile.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I mean not needing to constantly defend my freedom against claims for more freedom and rights and more influence by religions, based on religious dogma.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Being called at home for advertising something once or twice a year, is nothing I keep my mind busy with.

Being called several times per week, seeing campaigns by the according companies to change laws on behalf of their interests and people not buying them getting discriminated and demanded to be stripped of freedoms and rights that others take for granted for themselves - that is something different.

I knew exactly what you meant, and to a point I agree with you. I was just point out that there are religious types who believe that "freedom from religion" means taking away their right to worship what they want.

Other than that, we are in accordance. I think we just disagree about where to draw that line.