Open carry in Oklahoma

I suppose a good story in relation to open carry wouldbe that fat soccer mom who became a star feature of gun nut weekly over her insistance that she had to be openly armed at all times, even at her kids soccer matches.
She ended up getting her head blown off while sitting at the computer in her own home.
It pays to be prepared at all times.

[Catfish]

^ She should have been carrying a pistol at least, at home in front of her computer, and look around her every 5 seconds.

I wonder why you afford a government, militia and police ?

Yes i know, the coming Zombie apocalypse, your neighbour might be a serial killer, or you got to fight the mafia, the government and the miltary, alone, at some point of your life. Certainly paranoia does not mean they are not following and trying to kill you 24 hours a day.

I can imagine how people feel so much safer, like women pushing their baby buggy around, with all people around being armed including the women themselves. What a nice idea in a civilian society

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms. For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms. For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

Our system has worked for us for over 200 years. How long has your system worked for you?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I wonder why you afford a government, militia and police ?

Government is there to do things collectively we can't do as individuals. That's it.

By "militia" did you actually mean armed forces? "Militia" means a group of armed citizens, which is the opposite of what you seem to want. Armed forces, on the other hand, are there to defend the state or country as a whole.

Police are ostensibly there to protect us, but unless (as was pointed out earlier) you have one policeman for each civilian acting as a bodyguard, that is impossible. Aside from the two who seem to hang out at the local grocery store I haven't seen a cop in several weeks.

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms.

Freedom means exactly that - the ability to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else's ability to do the same. While I too think open carry can be a little silly, but how many people you see on the street are criminals? You don't know. If people want to protect themselves, fine.

For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

I used to work with an ex-cop whose favorite saying was "If guns are outlawed, only the police will have guns. Do you feel safer now?"

[MH]

Freedom means exactly that - the ability to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else's ability to do the same. While I too think open carry can be a little silly, but how many people you see on the street are criminals? You don't know. If people want to protect themselves, fine.

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?
Common peaple buy AK 47s.
Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?
But yeah freedom can be vewed the way you describe it for the good and the bad that comes with it.
In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?

2nd Amendment to the US Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

"Well regulated" in the parlance of the time meant "competent in the use of" and "Militia" meant every adult citizen capable of bearing arms.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MH

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?

Why should that matter? If someone wants a cool object in his possession, that's his business.

Common peaple buy AK 47s.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fully automatic weapons are regulated, and you have to pay some good money for a special license to own one.

Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?

Nope.

In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

So are cars. By the way, a lot more people are killed by cars than by guns.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why should that matter? If someone wants a cool object in his possession, that's his business.





So are cars. By the way, a lot more people are killed by cars than by guns.

Cant argue with that...just hate when gun fans talk about self defence as primary reason for getting guns.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fully automatic weapons are regulated, and you have to pay some good money for a special license to own one.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MH

Cant argue with that...just hate when gun fans talk about self defence as primary reason for getting guns.

Fair point. Some do, some don't. A good friend of mine was a collector, but except for a couple of home-defense weapons none of his guns were less than one hundred years old.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by MH

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?
Common peaple buy AK 47s.
Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?
But yeah freedom can be vewed the way you describe it for the good and the bad that comes with it.
In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

The majority of people buy guns for protection and hunting. In the USA, we have too many criminals and nutjobs that like to go around mass shooting. Last year, I was across the street at a gas mart, when someone went on a shooting rampage at the store across the street. The guy shooting was a previous employee pissed off about getting fired. He shot one man pumping gas, two people inside the store and shot the owner point blank in the face with a shotgun. He then blew his head off. I could've easily pulled in there instead of the other store, so I started carrying concealed again for awhile.

You have to get a license for a handgun in my state, but only a permit to conceal carry. You can open carry any legal gun, shotgun, AK's, etc...However, anyone can buy a pistol, ect., on the street. People buy and trade firearms all the time under the table.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I suppose a good story in relation to open carry wouldbe that fat soccer mom who became a star feature of gun nut weekly over her insistance that she had to be openly armed at all times, even at her kids soccer matches.
She ended up getting her head blown off while sitting at the computer in her own home.
It pays to be prepared at all times.

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ She should have been carrying a pistol at least, at home in front of her computer, and look around her every 5 seconds.

I might be wrong, but I recall she was shot by her husband with that very
same pistol she was carrying to all those soccer games, before he killed himself.

As for the topic, someone already said how I think about it earlier: carry a gun
in open isnt a deterrant to those who REALLY want that free gun. They'll just use
more force to get it.

[August]

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

[PICTURE]

That's how it goes in the perfect world.

Say, someone wants to threathen someone with a knife, he probably closes
to 1.5-2m before showin his intentions. Try to pull a gun out from your holster/pocket
and you MIGHT get a shot out, but evenso, that knife will very likely be stuck
in some part of your body, in worst case, lethally.

Many in this thread seem to think that criminals are stupid, dont know why.
But if someone wants to rob you and they see the gun, they wont't be
coming at you from the front. Baseball bat/other hard object, or in worst case
a bullet to the back of the head is what they do.

EDIT: Of course, I dont live in the US, but to me this just means more guns for the bad guys who really need them (gangs and such).

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Many in this thread seem to think that criminals are stupid, dont know why.

That's because the kind of criminals we're talking about are stupid, or they wouldn't have to be out robbing people who might shoot them.

But if someone wants to rob you and they see the gun, they wont't be
coming at you from the front. Baseball bat/other hard object, or in worst case
a bullet to the back of the head is what they do.

I'd say that depends on the situation. Doing those things in a location like that in the picture I posted above would only provide plenty of witnesses at their murder trial.

But this is Oklahoma we're talking about. The Lone Prairie.
pretty difficult to sneak up on someone out there...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Dowly

That's how it goes in the perfect world.

Say, someone wants to threathen someone with a knife, he probably closes
to 1.5-2m before showin his intentions. Try to pull a gun out from your holster/pocket
and you MIGHT get a shot out, but evenso, that knife will very likely be stuck
in some part of your body, in worst case, lethally.

Many in this thread seem to think that criminals are stupid, dont know why.
But if someone wants to rob you and they see the gun, they wont't be
coming at you from the front. Baseball bat/other hard object, or in worst case
a bullet to the back of the head is what they do.

EDIT: Of course, I dont live in the US, but to me this just means more guns for the bad guys who really need them (gangs and such).

Dowly,

I see where your coming from. The thing is - more civilians on the street with guns actually assumes that criminals are smart. You see - its not the guy they choose to rob necessarily. Its about all the other people that might be around when they stab or shoot a victim -because if MORE people are armed - and they start stabbing or shooting someone - they are not likely to live long enough to enjoy the "fruits" of their nefarious actions. You see - its one thing to say "I can pop the guy in the back of the head and steall his stuff" - its another to have to worry about getting capped from 5 different directions if you try......

Most criminals don't want to die. So the issue of an armed citizenry - willint to protect itself - every man protecting himself and his neighbor - is the worst fear of the "physical" criminal.