Ahmadinejad's cameraman defects

[Alex]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

If you were paying attention you would notice I'm from New York. The NYS Court of Appeals ruled the death penalty unconstitutional (in regards to the state constitution) in People v. LaValle. Except for a few years under Pataki NYS has been without a death penalty since Furman v. Georgia, and hasn't executed a prisoner since '63. I can say I've never voted for anyone who said bring it back either.

I see. Please, can you let me know in your opinion if you think that anyone coming from about anywhere in the world considers yourself more as a member of the state of NY, than as a citizen of the united states of America ? For anyone who's got to live in your country, that may well be the case. But for everyone else, you're an American, period. Because the consideration as a nation is far superior to the one of the state. To be honest, and in order to give you a rough idea of the way you look saying this kind of thing in my opinion, it's just as if your whole family was living in the same street, and that you decided to break away from some of your family members due to the fact that some of them are responsible for acting a certain way going against your moral, while the family and its name (are supposed to) go far beyond the way individuals are appreciated in society. I don't want that to sound like a cheap metaphor, but this is indeed the impression conveyed by your morals and way of thinking.
Your nation is responsible for such behaviours too (I mean administration of the death penalty), and consequently that sullies the reputation of your whole population since that makes you (as a nation) responsible in some way for what is done where your flag flies. No matter where it is done exactly : it is your nation, and citizen of the same country are supposed to support each other. The break away between citizen of the same nation has got no sense nor significance. I understand very well the fact that you may dislike what happens in some parts of your country, but still you just can't do anything else than taking in consideration what gets to be done in your nation too, because that is proper citizenship. So, switching back to what you just mentioned about executions in Iran, the advice would indeed be "put your own house in order before daring to criticize other people".
I must admit that I was somehow expecting such a reply from you. But I didn't want to admit in advance that you were going to reply my post that way.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Sovereignty of a state does not give it total control of its citizens nor give it the right to strip their freedoms away. And you are right, I stand with anyone who supports the values of freedom because those who don't, well we have words for them.

And btw I do listen to what people who don't support my country's values say, especially their leaders, and if others did like I do they wouldn't sleep at night.

Regarding what I think about Iran, my stance on what you consider to be the iranian problem is not to let everyone know that you're wrong, and that I am right. The only things I wish everyone (including yourself) to remember when watching tv and checking news on the internet, are the fact that considering the policy of economical support through war your country has got since decades (you're familiar with your own History so you don't need me to remind you about all the wars your country has got to be involved in just for the last 50 years, for example), and the fact that your government definitely having a bias towards one side of the belligerents should also be taken in consideration (you're supporting a country in the Middle-East, and this is not Iran, but its worst enemy), absolutely everyone is entitled to wonder about the soundness of the intentions of the authorities in force in your country nowadays who want you to read and watch news related to a country towards which you absolutely are neutral in no way.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Occurred on or about July 26, 2008. 30 People were executed including several for crimes of be drunk in public, what we could call disturbing the peace or endangering public safety, and having an adulterous relationship.


Occurred on or about July 23, 2007. The three executed (two males, one female) were convicted of adultery.



Occurred on August 15, 2004. The executed was convicted of being raped by a 50 year old taxi driver (she was only 16 BTW). Her name was Atefah.

Posting these pictures one more time doesn't hurt.
I feel the anger. And the next war to come. Haha.


Now, regarding the informations related to the executions of which you've got to post a few pictures. Don't tell me you've got blind faith in that stuff mentioned by people who want you to get nervous over data of which you just can't check out the validity by yourself in a reliable way, with reference to many medias from many countries, making you able to get a neutral overview of this problem. For the sake of your honour, can you let me know how can you consider your medias to bring you reliable data related to the iranian matter, while it's unofficially established that a superior authority (call it an oligarchic association of bankers considering the people as meat, and the life of the soldiers as intangible assets they can use at will and don't need to care about - and don't tell me you didn't come up to that way of thinking following what gets to be done at Wall Street !) is doing its best to get you all against another country once again, in order to send one more time thousands of soldiers from your Nation to the abattoir in a still undeterminate future, with the only intention to erase the public debt.

To be considered valid and reliable, the publication of these photos and comments should have been confirmed and authorised by all the powers at play, international journalists as well as iranian authorities. Apparently, we can consider these shots to have been taken furtively while everyone's back was turned (just like it's the case in one of the photos, in which we can see the back profile of 2 members of some iranian armed force) via a camera certainly not to be considered as the one of a regular journalist. So it is in fact quite obvious that these photos have been taken and quickly hosted on the internet by someone who didn't have good intentions towards the iranian regime, in order for some stupid patriot arseholes (wherever they're from) to end up feeling anger towards such an injustice in front of their screen, while it's established that any people in the world really has got no interest in doing so, and should rather constantly keep fighting for his own rights instead.

Something definitely makes me afraid. You all have got to mistrust your government, everyone of its decisions, as well as you've got to admit its responsibility in the constant state of war you're in, that didn't bring you much more than refrigerated aircraft bringing dead soldiers back to their homeland for their close ones to mourn their passing.
With all due respect to you TLAM, I hope the People from the united states of America has got an higher level of collective conscience than you seem to have as an individual. If it doesn't, you're all in for one more massive and unjustified spreading of your blood on foreign territory.

Of course, neither the country nor its judiciary system is supposed to be plenipotentiary. I'll never put that into question. But since everyone's got to take care about injustice at home first (the variety of communities you can find in your country causing many culture shocks supposed to call your attention to be resolved as fast as possible - while this is not the case in Iran, as the country didn't have to face any immigration, making things much smoother there on the social aspect as there's no clash of civilizations in Iran), can you let me know what/who brings you the legitimacy to show the will to resolve this kind of problems abroad before caring about the situation where you live ? If it's not one more possible war to be started over there that would end up reinvigorating your economy through the exploitation of natural ressources to be found on Iranian soil, I'd be interested in talking about what's got to make you American People so suitable to take offence at anything happening outside your country, as well as suitable to intervene militarily in the name of the human rights of other Peoples in the world.

[eddie]

Sounds like this is coming from Ahmadinejads office,lol You can throw out all the PR crap you want, you can't clean up his image or what he stands for, not in a million years.

Iran is not in any position to dictate anything to anyone. Your Ayatollah is not a religious man either, his strings are pulled by the Republican Guard. He's just a figure head, means nothing to anyone except those who are so deluded to think he is religious.

Why does Iran meddle in the affairs of Syria? Isn't Syria strong enough to go it alone, or is it weak like Iran!?! If you count Hezbollah as an ally, you are indeed a weak country. They are nothing but losers, whose exsistance means only something to themselves. Their fearless leader hides like a child, just like bin Laden, and he will be found just like OBL and dealt with in the same way.

You let al Sadr hide in your country, a known murderer, and you wonder why countries don't trust Iran? Why should we? Iran wants to be a world leader, but it isn't smart enough, wise enough, or strong enough to do so. I can't wait to see how the elections for its President gets fixed this time,lol

[Takeda Shingen]

Actually, I believe Alex is from France, although he has elected to remove his location from his profile in an attempt to clould the conversation; much in the way that he utilizes Victorian-era language to dress up his remarks. 'Occidental' sounds nicer than 'Zionist', but the latter is what he really means.

much in the way that he utilizes Victorian-era language to dress up his remarks. 'Occidental' sounds nicer than 'Zionist', but the latter is what he really means.

But surely as poor alex believes its a global jewish conpiracy it would encompass both the occidental and oriental world.
Then again as apparently the jews are supposed to run everything doesn't that mean that iamadinnerjacket is really a zionist agent.

[eddie]

Where ever he is from, matters little to me. When you hold up Iran as a model for the world to follow, he makes me gag.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Alex

I see. Please, can you let me know in your opinion if you think that anyone coming from about anywhere in the world considers yourself more as a member of the state of NY, than as a citizen of the united states of America ? For anyone who's got to live in your country, that may well be the case.

Stop right there. 'Who's got to' live in my country? Got To? No one has 'got to' live in America. I can drive less than a hundred miles and go live in Canada if I wanted to, after a few years I can become a Canadian and never come back to the US ever again. USBP has about zero say on if I cross the border into Canada (CBSA has a say because its there country, but about the only time the US would have any say is if I was fleeing arrest or some such).

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To be considered valid and reliable, the publication of these photos and comments should have been confirmed and authorised by all the powers at play, international journalists as well as iranian authorities. Apparently, we can consider these shots to have been taken furtively while everyone's back was turned (just like it's the case in one of the photos, in which we can see the back profile of 2 members of some iranian armed force) via a camera certainly not to be considered as the one of a regular journalist. So it is in fact quite obvious that these photos have been taken and quickly hosted on the internet by someone who didn't have good intentions towards the iranian regime, in order for some stupid patriot arseholes (wherever they're from) to end up feeling anger towards such an injustice in front of their screen, while it's established that any people in the world really has got no interest in doing so, and should rather constantly keep fighting for his own rights instead.

Are you insane?
Do you live in some totalitarian order where only official state sponsored publications exist and where all others are considered counter-revolutionary?

Here is a lovely example; This is a pair of Shabab-3 MRBM silos at Tabriz.

This image was captured on a satellite without permission from anyone in the Iranian regime. By your logic these silos do not exist, are invalid, or are the work of someone with ill intentions to the Iranian regime.

You ignore the fact that these sites exist and have birds in range of half of Europe because photos of their existence are not authorized by Tehran.

You are confusing 'Journalist' with 'Event Photographer'. A journalist is someone who goes out and records the truth, while the other takes official photographs. If a journalist goes out and takes a photo of say a murder that photo (and by extension that murder) does not become invalid because the murderer did not give permission for the photo to be taken!

Something definitely makes me afraid. You all have got to mistrust your government, everyone of its decisions, as well as you've got to admit its responsibility in the constant state of war you're in, that didn't bring you much more than refrigerated aircraft bringing dead soldiers back to their homeland for their close ones to mourn their passing.
With all due respect to you TLAM, I hope the People from the united states of America has got an higher level of collective conscience than you seem to have as an individual. If it doesn't, you're all in for one more massive and unjustified spreading of your blood on foreign territory.

Of course, neither the country nor its judiciary system is supposed to be plenipotentiary. I'll never put that into question. But since everyone's got to take care about injustice at home first (the variety of communities you can find in your country causing many culture shocks supposed to call your attention to be resolved as fast as possible - while this is not the case in Iran, as the country didn't have to face any immigration, making things much smoother there on the social aspect as there's no clash of civilizations in Iran), can you let me know what/who brings you the legitimacy to show the will to resolve this kind of problems abroad before caring about the situation where you live ? If it's not one more possible war to be started over there that would end up reinvigorating your economy through the exploitation of natural ressources to be found on Iranian soil, I'd be interested in talking about what's got to make you American People so suitable to take offence at anything happening outside your country, as well as suitable to intervene militarily in the name of the human rights of other Peoples in the world.

Ask any doctor whether you stop the bleeding in an artery or a vein first. Do you try to fix a country with minor problems or one that is murdering its own people wholesale?

But lets take a little trip. Lets explore two documents. One is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (I'm going to assume your are pro-human rights, but I can't be too sure) and the other is the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Iranian Penal Code.

(Please note that Iran signed the UDHR)

Iranian Penal Code Article 82: The penalty for adultery in the following cases shall be death, regardless of
the age or marital status
of the culprit: (1) Adultery with one’s consanguineous relatives (close blood relatives
forbidden to each other by
religious law); (2) Adultery with one’s stepmother in which the adulterer’s punishment
shall be death; (3)
Adultery between a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman, in which case the adulterer (non-Muslim man) shall receive the death penalty;
(4) Forcible rape, in which case the rapist shall receive the
death penalty.

IPC Article 84: Old married adulterers and adulteresses shall be flogged before being stoned.

IPC Article 109: In case of sodomy both the active and the passive persons will be condemned to its punishment.
IPC Article 110: Punishment for sodomy is killing; the Sharia judge decides on how to carry out the killing.

IPC Article 129: Punishment for lesbianism is hundred (100) lashes for each party.

UDHR Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

CIRI Article 11 [Unity of Islam Principle]
In accordance with the sacred verse of the Koran "This your community is a single community, and I am your Lord, so worship Me" [21:92], all Muslims form a single nation, and the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran have the duty of formulating its general policies with a view to cultivating the friendship and unity of all Muslim peoples, and it must constantly strive to bring about the political, economic, and cultural unity of the Islamic world.

UDHR Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

CIRI Article 13 [Recognized Religious Minorities]
Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.

UDHR Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

IPC Article 640 – The following people should be imprisoned from three months to one year
and pay a fine of
1,500,000 to 6,000,000, and also be flogged up to 74 lashes, or any of these punishments.
c) anyone who publicizes any picture, text, photo, drawing, article, newsletter,
newspaper, movie, or any
other thing that violates public morals;
d) anyone who is included in the circulation of the above items;

Article 700 – Anyone who publicizes satiristis materials should be imprisoned from one
to six months.

UDHR Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

IPC Article 237: (1) First degree murder shall be proven by testimony of two just men; (2)
Evidence for second-degree9
murder or manslaughter shall consist in the testimony of two just men, or that of one just man and two just women, or the testimony of one just man and the sworn testimony of the accuser.

UDHR Article 7
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

You question my conscience? I would question the conscience of anyone who would ignore such draconian laws being implemented.

[joea]

Ok I disagree strongly with some of what Alex says-but gotta jump to his defence here. I think what he is trying to say here is very simple.

Question everything you read/watch about other countries/cultures and especially what our political leaders say. Second that other nations have a right to organise their society in ways that might not meet our approval-we have a right to voice our dislike of it of course just as they do of ours-but just make sure it is based on objective facts as much as possible and be aware of other viewpoints. Gosh look at the number of times our American friends get justifiably irritated by foreign criticism especially when it is based on ignorance. That does not mean one is above criticism surely, just those based on stereotypes.

As for the threat from Iran, well my view is there is a lot of blame to go around. They support terrorism? Well so does the West. Iran has invaded zero countries in the last 30 years. How about the US? Iranian rhetoric disgusts me sometimes-but so does the extreme anti-muslim bigotry I've seen here and elsewhere. Finally let's recall that a lot of the mess the Middle East is in today is thanks to what France (yes France too), the UK and the US have done over the last century.

I think what he is trying to say here is very simple.

Question everything you read/watch about other countries/cultures and especially what our political leaders say.

No, what he is saying is america is evil and the jews run everything, so they are wrong and everything america or the media says is an american/ jewish lie.
It is fine to question everything, but if you are questioning everything from a fixed and immovable yet crazy viewpoint you are not actually questioning anything at all.
Apart from all that in relation to your attempt at defending that poster you make good points, but in this incident they simply do not come into play

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Actually, I believe Alex is from France, although he has elected to remove his location from his profile in an attempt to clould the conversation; much in the way that he utilizes Victorian-era language to dress up his remarks. 'Occidental' sounds nicer than 'Zionist', but the latter is what he really means.

He's probably a Maurras type. I thought they died out with Vichy, but sadly it appears not.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

He's probably a Maurras type. I thought they died out with Vichy, but sadly it appears not.

I guess like many of the Axis supporters from after the war he found a new job in supporting middle eastern anti-semitic dictatorships.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I guess like many of the Axis supporters from after the war he found a new job in supporting middle eastern anti-semitic dictatorships.

You mean Shah Reza Pahlewi, Saddam Hussein and such ?

[Oberon]

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

iamadinnerjacket

ROFL
Thanks for the laugh, Tribesman.

Originally Posted by Oberon

He's probably a Maurras type.

Hey ! What a surprise. You Sir have got an education. I appreciate that. Maurras indeed rules. As well as a ton of other authors anyone's not supposed to read nor allow importance to considering their political stance or basic point of view concerning society, religion, etc. (including American people ! Man, I would have never expected Henry Ford to be such a great guy and self-taught sociologist at heart. He mentioned that the laborious and creative mind of the American working class, and the venal and unscrupulous one of "the Jews" definitely are set against each other, and denounces the stranglehold of that religious community on everything that makes the essence of a nation - education, sport, theater, cinema, music, newspapers, even religion - making it able to control and sap the very foundations of the nation, creating that way the causes of its own rejection : "as to the real and true cause of that persecution, namely the oppression of the People through the financial methods of the Jews, you will never get to hear nor to read about that" (taken from The International Jew, written by H. Ford). I've got to translate that one back to English, maybe it doesn't match the exact sentences from H. Ford. But well.
See, Oberon ? If you were an honest guy you just wouldn't be the philosemite you are, licking the **** of the same people all the time in order to fall into the line not to get any problem, haha.

Originally Posted by Oberon

but sadly it appears not.

"Sadly", eh ? The freedom of opinion and expression being the greatest and main component of a democratic system, your message shows that you've got to live in quite a strange country, Ob'. I hope you'll be able to relieve your mind of the everyday amount of bull you seem to hear about constantly at tv where you live, for your own sake.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Are you insane?
Do you live in some totalitarian order where only official state sponsored publications exist and where all others are considered counter-revolutionary?

Once again, you're talking here for the sake of talking.
Never did I talk about state sponsored publications.
What I meant is that these news/murders, to be considered satisfactorily reliable, should have been 1. eventually admitted and/or recognized in any way by the power in place following the violation of the country's will not to advertise the administration of capital punishment, therefore making these facts a reality in fact (taking in consideration the nature of the charges against the iranian regime, I'm sure you'll admit that was definitely not going to be the case there), and/or 2. reported by many medias from many countries, at the very least, in order for someone to be able to get a neutral view on this matter. You're feeling okay with these photos yourself, and I don't, because you apparently don't know that photos can be great tools for the manipulation of opinions worldwide. You seem to have a short memory, the greatest example of mind manipulation being indeed this american one.
You've got to see it, I'm sure about that. So how the hell can you pretend journalism to be really reliable all the time ?

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

This image was captured on a satellite without permission from anyone in the Iranian regime. By your logic these silos do not exist, are invalid, or are the work of someone with ill intentions to the Iranian regime.

Don't you have any more serious "decisive" argument than this one, Sir ?
This is definitely the right of every country (such as it's the one of the united states of America) to build up such facilities allowing the country to protect itself as well as its people from any attack from any country. Iran's got this protection policy for its own sake, and doesn't wish to make any use of those so-called shabab silos (whatever you can find in them, personally I don't care in the least about that) at free will (why should Iran act this way ? Did it ever prove itself to be such an aggressive country so far ? After all, the united states of America are the greatest nation known for acting this way, considering itself omniscient and omnipotent enough to do so, against all odds ! Where's the legitimacy of american powers in considering themselves that way ? Now THAT is the question, one more question you will not even try to reply). These silos can be considered as weapons of deterrence. Are you the only one in your country who's not familiar with that concept ? I hope so.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

You ignore the fact that these sites exist and have birds in range of half of Europe because photos of their existence are not authorized by Tehran.

Man ! I've been waiting for you on that stance for some time. Haha.
@ everyone : read TLAM's message above once again.
In fact, absolutely all the legitimacy of your country's foreign policy in the Middle-East nowadays lies in the fact that your authorities (as well as yourself, TLAM, apparently !) are doing their best to make everyone afraid of what Iran could eventually do IF AND ONLY IF Iran acted the imperialistic way the united states of America do.
I've been waiting for you on the subject of the atomic bomb, too. Too bad you didn't mention it. Or better in fact. At least I don't make too much fun of the same person at the same time.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

You are confusing 'Journalist' with 'Event Photographer'. A journalist is someone who goes out and records the truth, while the other takes official photographs. If a journalist goes out and takes a photo of say a murder that photo (and by extension that murder) does not become invalid because the murderer did not give permission for the photo to be taken!

Thank you for the vocabulary lesson, Sir.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Ask any doctor whether you stop the bleeding in an artery or a vein first. Do you try to fix a country with minor
problems or one that is murdering its own people wholesale?

Are you talking about what is SUPPOSED TO happen in Syria nowadays ? Do I have to remind you that you've got the ONLY medias admitting the occurrence of such events ? Haha.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

But lets take a little trip. Lets explore two documents. One is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (I'm going
to assume your are pro-human rights, but I can't be too sure) and the other is the Constitution of the Islamic
Republic of Iran and the Iranian Penal Code.

(Please note that Iran signed the UDHR)


You question my conscience? I would question the conscience of anyone who would ignore such draconian laws being implemented.

Of course I do ! It really shouldn't be allowed to have such a dumb way of thinking, because the life of foreign patriot people may lie in the hands of soldiers from your nation who may have such a way of thinking !
You question the validity of the IPC ?
I don't care about what kind of corrupted declaration created by the decadent occidental side of the world iranian authorities may have signed so far. And yet I can't pretend to pledge allegiance to Islam, I'll always proudly stand on the side of the Iranian Nation that seems to have realized that Islam definitely is the only superior authority to be obeyed to be right, just, fair, impartial, and EQUITABLE TOWARDS ALL THE PEOPLE OF A SAME NATION STANDING UP FOR THE SAME RIGHTS AS A WHOLE (yet it was late - as they've got to sign the UDHR first - finally they are back and united under God - well, Allah - once again, and here's me bowing to them for being that mighty theocracy once again !).
You apparently are the last one believing in the legitimacy of a constitution, declarations and other official texts created by the oligarchy at the top that despises the American People, Sir (I really hope no other citizen from the united states of America has got to become so stupid watching television). Don't you even see I've got to feel and show scorn towards members of the American People such as you are because you're so blind and dumb you can't even notice that you as a simple citizen have got an imperialistic way of thinking united under an authority you do not even know ?
Does the nation of the united states of America really has got to be so dumb and decadent nowadays ? I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT !

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Actually, I believe Alex is from France, although he has elected to remove his location from his profile in an attempt to clould the conversation; much in the way that he utilizes Victorian-era language to dress up his remarks. 'Occidental' sounds nicer than 'Zionist', but the latter is what he really means.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Stop right there.

Hey Takeda, you seem to be willing to demonstrate some little animosity towards myself, don't you.
Just let me thank you for the "victorian-era" comment you've got to make, I take it to heart, because it shows the kind of english reading I've got to go through in some way. But also, you shouldn't forget where your language comes from, and that mine is one of the roots of yours. It looks like victorian-era english because I do translate my language to english most of the time, without caring too much about making it look like modern day english, you know. Other than that, I'm not like "hey, let's erase my location field in order for all no more to be able to know where I come from", I just consider myself to be a guy who's got to do more and more efforts to pretend to speak your language as well as I'd like to, so it was rather "hey, let's erase my location field and check whether I still get to be recognized as someone living outside any english-speaking nation".
But let's get back on topic now, if you don't mind.
Do you guys choose to put in question the way I speak [while I've always admitted not to have reached a good standard both in spoken and written English (for the simple reason that I've still never got to meet with any english-speaking person in real life so far, isn't that amazing, haha), and that I just can type it roughly], due to the fact that you simply can't stand up against the meaning of my remarks, and are not able to reply them in any proper way to restore your nation's pride to the great level it's supposed to be ?

That's okay, then, this one is my last post in this thread. You guys and I don't fight in the same category. I stand on the side of the American People myself, who is entitled to its right to live a peaceful life, without having to fear the consequences of wars a certain cosmopolitan oligarchy living in your country is responsible for. Just be aware it's never been my intention to tarnish your flag's colours, nor to speak ill about the American People with whom I feel a connection.
I honestly wish the very best to you American People who are aware of the possible consequences of wars you are in no way responsible for, yet constantly are the only ones suffering these consequences.

Some of you who live in the united states of America may be wondering "hey, but who's that guy, what, he's a french ? But what the hell does that madafaken frog is aspiring to while trying to lecture us about the way we should behave as a nation ?". And I'll tell you that I'm certainly not standing up for the country I live in nor for its values right now (some politicians have got to do so in the right manner ages ago). And here I'll confess that we've got the same problem in France as you have in your country : Laurent Fabius (french foreign minister) being one of those not to be considered as a fair defender of the Human Rights worldwide (check out this article).

quoting a part of the article :

"The Syrian regime should be smashed fast," Fabius told reporters. "After hearing the refugees and their account of
the massacres of the regime, Mr Bashar al-Assad doesn't deserve to be on this earth", he said.

"doesn't deserve to be on this earth" ? Come on Bob, now what is that. No, that one is really not a joke, he really said that for real. Did you get it ? I mean, did you manage fathoming the significance of such a sentence ? Does it sound like everyday English language ? Neither does it in french. In fact, it sounds pretty much like some verse taken from a story taken from any holy book you can find. The religion of this guy ? You don't want to ask for it. You may be called an antisemite by the good Tribesman, haha. In fact that sentence sounds pretty much like Blankfein's one "I'm doing God's work".

But that's enough talking from myself for now. I'll just end this post saying I'm no antisemite. But I am strongly against some people fighting for their own interests all the time, not caring about any local people worldwide, while spreading rumors related to a constant supposed planned eradication of members of a certain religion, therefore getting themselves on the cover of most magazines all the time, in order for every gentile to support their cause.
And let me say once again that you don't have to believe everything I say just like that : just check this out for yourself in your own medias instead !


Talking a bit about Islam here : I hope none of you believes in what you get to hear at tv that is related to Muslims.
Many will certainly quote this part of my post making fun of what I say about that religion. Feel free to do so : here I'm standing up for the integrity of everyone's mind against the propaganda you get to hear about them. Of course you can make fun of what I say. But that is easy. It would be harder for you to reply my post in a more appropriate manner.

That BenLaden stuff you've got to believe in is no more than a joke. But let me make myself clear. I don't mean the WTC stuff did not happen. What I mean is that it is indeed REAL nonsense for REAL Muslims to do such a thing. In fact, the only "Muslims" who would have been able to do that are people I'd call "Zionist Muslims", haha, who made your so-called authorities feel the wish to invade that geographic area in the world, with the intention to exploit what can be found on that soil, as well as the one to kill the Islamic world (do you really think Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrein and all that **** - all standing up for occidental values - still have anything to do with Islam ?).
And let me tell you that you who are the American People would not have any interest in doing so, for Christ's sake. You're not responsible for that. You (your soldiers) are pawns of your government wishing to destroy the Middle-East.

Yet I must admit I'm not a practising Catholic guy, I personally stand up in the name of my forefathers' values, and while members of a certain religious community are doing their best to create clashes between everyone's religion (but Judaism, isn't that cool, haha) from scratch absolutely everywhere they are, I must say there's quite a lot of possibilities for Islamic and Catholic people to be friends, because we stand up for the very same value that is called Universalism. That very value is taught through the Bible as well as in the Coran. According to the Holy Scriptures and the Coran, absolutely none of us has got to be against ANY other religion in the world (And you know what ? Mr Ahmadinejad is neither against the Jew community, nor against the American People ! check out featuring the Iranian president in a meeting with anti-zionist Jews from New York !).

(Also, if you want to make familiar with Islamic Wisdom, just check out videos related to the great Sheik Imran Hossein (who's got to live in your country for some time, by the way) on youtube. Only then will you be able to talk about Islam in the proper way. Here's me bowing to this wise man spreading the real good word about Islam in the occidental world that's got no more respect for that belief, while very few are those who really can pretend to be familiar with it.)

But Universalism is not taught through Judaism - check this out in the True Torah as well as in the Talmud - that is indeed the reason why antisemitism has always existed, as well as the reason why Jews have been portrayed the way they were for centuries). And yet every people should hold everyday Jews in high respect such as we do between ourselves, because that very part of this community definitely is part of our social class, and therefore have got to face the same social fights as we do, we also have got to admit that a part of Judaism is called Zionism. While Judaism is a very respectable religious persuasion (such as Catholicism and Islam), it is the toy of Zionist authorities who create antisemitism from scratch (you may like to watch , kind of an amateur documentary made by a young guy from the country). What you've got to take in consideration is that Zionism doesn't demonstrate ANY of the values of Judaism, for the simple reason that Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with any religious belief (in other words : you don't need to be a Jew to be a Zionist). I don't know about the way this subject is treated in american medias, but I'm sure you'll find people familiar with the fight against that cause, wherever you live.
I don't ask any people for believing anything I've got to say. You'd rather inquire into these realities in order to make familiar with that stuff for yourself. Zionism indeed looks like kind of the still hidden government for the world to live under dictatorship on a worldwide scale later.

Shutting myself up now. I won't go deeper into who are the real Muslims, the Zionist Muslims, nor anything else right now. Plus I don't want to get such a good site closed down if I start talking about the Mossad, ROFL.
My only intention towards you American People is to bring you the wake-up call in order for you to care about what gets to be done in the name of your flag and values. I've got no other reason to do so.
Too bad I've just got to talk about that in here. It would have got a greater impact posted in the NY Times website or frontpage. ROFL. But well.

Getting the more people educated on this matter would be great though, for the sake of your nation. Read the Torah, as well as the Talmud, and you'll notice that anti-Zionism is indeed the fight against real racism, as well as the absolute sole cause you can stand up for to support the life of absolutely everyone on Earth.

Originally Posted by joea

Ok I disagree strongly with some of what Alex says-but gotta jump to his defence here. I think what he is trying to say here is very simple.

Question everything you read/watch about other countries/cultures and especially what our political leaders say.

Originally Posted by joea

Iranian rhetoric disgusts me sometimes-but so does the extreme anti-muslim bigotry I've seen here and elsewhere.

At least someone's wishing to open his eyes.
"Question everything you read/watch about other countries/cultures and especially what our political leaders say" is indeed the only thing I want you all in the united states of America to do everyday. "What happened ? Who did this ? Okay. Does it make any sense ? Who benefits from such a situation ? Let's not allow anyone to make fun of us".
Joea, as you seem to be able to take in consideration values and acts going beyond your own interests and the ones of your nation (wherever you live), you actually are a person whom I consider a fair and honest citizen of the world, and TRUE defender of the human rights. And that is the greatest compliment to be done on the moral level in my humble opinion.

Respect Sir.

@ TLAM : Whatever you or anyone else will say, I officially can say I've done my best to emancipate American people's mind in here from what they get to watch and read here and there. Now, if you don't want to open your eyes on what really takes place in the world, it's not my problem.


Bye everyone.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Alex

Hey Takeda, you seem to be willing to demonstrate some little animosity towards myself, don't you.

No animosity, just fact.

Just let me thank you for the "victorian-era" comment you've got to make, I take it to heart, because it shows the kind of english reading I've got to go through in some way. But also, you shouldn't forget where your language comes from, and that mine is one of the roots of yours. It looks like victorian-era english because I do translate my language to english most of the time, without caring too much about making it look like modern day english, you know. Other than that, I'm not like "hey, let's erase my location field in order for all no more to be able to know where I come from", I just consider myself to be a guy who's got to do more and more efforts to pretend to speak your language as well as I'd like to, so it was rather "hey, let's erase my location field and check whether I still get to be recognized as someone living outside any english-speaking nation".
But let's get back on topic now, if you don't mind.

I've been on topic the whole time. It is you that engages in topic switching in an effort to cloud the issue at hand. It appears to be the only way you know to lubricate the proceedings enough to push your erronious points through.

Do you guys choose to put in question the way I speak [while I've always admitted not to have reached a good standard both in spoken and written English (for the simple reason that I've still never got to meet with any english-speaking person in real life so far, isn't that amazing, haha), and that I just can type it roughly], due to the fact that you simply can't stand up against the meaning of my remarks, and are not able to reply them in any proper way to restore your nation's pride to the great level it's supposed to be ?

What are you talking about? Do you even know anymore? My point is, and has always been, that your views and remarks are based in a strong personal anti-semitism. You confirm this by posting the following six-paragraph rant about the "Zionist menace".

That BenLaden stuff you've got to believe in is no more than a joke. But let me make myself clear. I don't mean the WTC stuff did not happen. What I mean is that it is indeed REAL nonsense for REAL Muslims to do such a thing. In fact, the only "Muslims" who would have been able to do that are people I'd call "Zionist Muslims", haha, who made your so-called authorities feel the wish to invade that geographic area in the world, with the intention to exploit what can be found on that soil, as well as the one to kill the Islamic world (do you really think Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrein and all that **** - all standing up for occidental values - still have anything to do with Islam ?).
And let me tell you that you who are the American People would not have any interest in doing so, for Christ's sake. You're not responsible for that. You (your soldiers) are pawns of your government wishing to destroy the Middle-East.

Yet I must admit I'm not a practising Catholic guy, I personally stand up in the name of my forefathers' values, and while members of a certain religious community are doing their best to create clashes between each other's religion (but Judaism, isn't that cool, haha) from scratch absolutely everywhere they are, I must say there's quite a lot of possibilities for Islamic and Catholic people to be friends, because we stand up for the very same value that is called Universalism. That very value is taught through the Bible as well as in the Coran. According to the Holy Scriptures and the Coran, absolutely none of us has got to be against ANY other religion in the world (And you know what ? Mr Ahmadinejad is neither against the Jew community, nor against the American People ! check out featuring the Iranian president in a meeting with anti-zionist Jews from New York !).

(Also, if you want to make familiar with Islamic Wisdom, just check out videos related to the great Sheik Imran Hossein (who's got to live in your country for some time, by the way) on youtube. Only then will you be able to talk about Islam in the proper way. Here's me bowing to this wise man spreading the real good word about Islam in the occidental world that's got no more respect for that belief, while very few are those who really can pretend to be familiar with it.)

But Universalism is not taught through Judaism - check this out in the True Torah as well as in the Talmud - that is indeed the reason why antisemitism has always existed, as well as the reason why Jews have been portrayed the way they were for centuries). And yet every people should hold everyday Jews in high respect such as we do between ourselves, because that very part of this community definitely is part of our social class, and therefore have got to face the same social fights as we do, we also have got to admit that a part of Judaism is called Zionism. While Judaism is a very respectable religious persuasion (such as Catholicism and Islam), it is the toy of Zionist authorities who create antisemitism from scratch (you may like to watch , kind of an amateur documentary made by a young guy from the country). What you've got to take in consideration is that Zionism doesn't demonstrate ANY of the values of Judaism, for the simple reason that Zionism has absolutely nothing to do with any religious belief (in other words : you don't need to be a Jew to be a Zionist). I don't know about the way this subject is treated in american medias, but I'm sure you'll find people familiar with the fight against that cause, wherever you live.
I don't ask any people for believing anything I've got to say. You'd rather inquire into these realities in order to make familiar with that stuff for yourself. Zionism indeed looks like kind of the still hidden government for the world to live under dictatorship on a worldwide scale later.

Shutting myself up now. I won't go deeper into who are the real Muslims, the Zionist Muslims, nor anything else right now. Plus I don't want to get such a good site closed down if I start talking about the Mossad, ROFL.
My only intention towards you American People is to bring you the wake-up call in order for you to care about what gets to be done in the name of your flag and values. I've got no other reason to do so.
Too bad I've just got to talk about that in here. It would have got a greater impact posted in the NY Times website or frontpage. ROFL. But well.

Getting the more people educated on this matter would be great though, for the sake of your nation. Read the Torah, as well as the Talmud, and you'll notice that anti-Zionism is indeed the fight against real racism, as well as the absolute sole cause you can stand up for to support the life of absolutely everyone on Earth.

See what I mean?

Bye everyone.

Uh huh.

"Sadly", eh ?

Yes sadly, as unfortunately you are proof that some people don't ever learn.

You Sir have got an education.

He does, which is why he knows that nazi scum talk rubbish.

Maurras indeed rules

A prime example.

I would have never expected Henry Ford to be such a great guy

Of course.......because he hates jews just like nazis like you do.