U.S. Presidential Debates & Election

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by JU_88

heh, Maybe in case the dollar eventually fails, things might get ugly in some places then, depending on how it is dealt with.
I still think this debt crisis has alot more in store for us, although the seas are calm for now.
I doubt their purchase has anything to do with the elections though.

The seas are not calm. The market has dropped 250 today.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The seas are not calm. The market has dropped 250 today.

Ah...Had to go and jinx it didnt I?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There will be. I suspect there will some civil unrest in a few areas.

DHS purchased 200 million rounds of ammo recently. Why would DHS need this many rounds?

Why does any military or law enforcement group need a lot of ammo? It's because practice makes perfect. Not a good idea to restrict how much a law officer can practice with his service weapon.

Between agents and contractors there are about 360,000 people working for DHS. 200 million rounds works out to about 500 round a person. Not an unrealistic amount for an entire year. Heck I can easily blow off 500 rounds in just a weekend at the range.

[AVGWarhawk]

My mistake. It was 750 million round. Apparently on top of the 450 million already purchased. Hollow point Not practice rounds. Just how much practice do they need? They are preparing for something. I do not think it is a turkey shoot.

[vienna]

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[JU_88]

Originally Posted by August

Why does any military or law enforcement group need a lot of ammo? It's because practice makes perfect. Not a good idea to restrict how much a law officer can practice with his service weapon.

Between agents and contractors there are about 360,000 people working for DHS. 200 million rounds works out to about 500 round a person. Not an unrealistic amount for an entire year. Heck I can easily blow off 500 rounds in just a weekend at the range.

Fair point TBH, Its one of those bits of news I think people often read too much into, thinking its something sinister when its probably nothing much.
And Im betting that 200 million rounds of ammo is nothing compared to the amount of ammo in circulation amongst non-law enforcement gun owners in the U.S. Maybe DHS just want to even up the numbers abit.....just in case

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Not saying sweep it under the rug. Lord knows that isn't going to happen. I'm saying instead of wallowing in the mud of the media by throwing accusations around, be sensible about the whole thing. Think outside the partisan politics box a little. Neither one of us has top secret clearance, which is what it is going to take to get the straight dope on Benghazi.

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

Not saying sweep it under the rug. Lord knows that isn't going to happen. I'm saying instead of wallowing in the mud of the media by throwing accusations around, be sensible about the whole thing. Think outside the partisan politics box a little. Neither one of us has top secret clearance, which is what it is going to take to get the straight dope on Benghazi.

Sorry but I must disagree. There is no secret dope that justifies leaving our Ambassador and his party undefended in that part of the world, especially on the anniversary of 9/11, nor is there a valid reason to deny for days that it was anything but a riot over a movie, and nor is there a valid reason for supplying weapons to Mexican drug cartels and nor is there a valid reason for stonewalling the Congressional investigation into the operation.

You can call all that partisan but i'm not apologizing for it. The election is coming and time is of the essence. We need to get Obama and crew out of the oval office and Justice Department in order to have any chance at all of seeing what they're trying to hide.

[Buddahaid]

No need to apologize for your views August, hell I'm not going to apologize for mine. I just don't like it when people need to use clever derogatory nicknames and rancorous language when airing their views. This place would be boring without the conflicting arguments but we can't expect to make converts.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

Not saying sweep it under the rug. Lord knows that isn't going to happen. I'm saying instead of wallowing in the mud of the media by throwing accusations around, be sensible about the whole thing. Think outside the partisan politics box a little. Neither one of us has top secret clearance, which is what it is going to take to get the straight dope on Benghazi.

I have top secret clearance lol

The Lord told me right after President Obama was elected and then took office in January 2009 ... He out and out said that the "Clitons would be Obama's downfall"

Mrs Cliton has taken the blame for these four deaths, the press has blamed the President as they rightly should, but I sincerely believe it was forordained.

If this results in the dismissal of President Obama then so be it, but as I also have a right to think ... I think President Obama has a predestined office to defeat the Muslim nation.

make fun of prophecy all you want to ... I believe, besides I don't want to be a real prophet ...

They kill prophets for being wrong in the old testament

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by geetrue

They kill prophets for being wrong in the old testament

More often real prophets are killed for being right. The Fake Prophet business is much more profitable. And safe.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by geetrue

The Lord told me

Priceless

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Again. As stated earlier I'm voting Romney. And we don't know the full story and apparently missed my post about another world war. We don't know the whole story of what was going on. Have you been watching Syria? Russia has influence in the middle east. Lot more than we do. Riots broke out all over the Middle East. We could have been on the brink of a world war. Or Isreal being wiped out. Or any other of a number of possibilities that we don't know about. There is a reason security was denied. That's a huge thing to do. The media has proved that because that is all that is being talked about. So huge that it wouldn't normally be done without some kind of probable cause. We as humans have a unique ability. Its called deduction. If we choose to we can take information and come to a logical conclusion from that information. This Benghazi thing warrants that same deductive reasoning.
The President isn't just going to commit political suicide without reason.

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

Again. As stated earlier I'm voting Romney. And we don't know the full story and apparently missed my post about another world war. We don't know the whole story of what was going on. Have you been watching Syria? Russia has influence in the middle east. Lot more than we do. Riots broke out all over the Middle East. We could have been on the brink of a world war. Or Isreal being wiped out. Or any other of a number of possibilities that we don't know about. There is a reason security was denied. That's a huge thing to do. The media has proved that because that is all that is being talked about. So huge that it wouldn't normally be done without some kind of probable cause. We as humans have a unique ability. Its called deduction. If we choose to we can take information and come to a logical conclusion from that information. This Benghazi thing warrants that same deductive reasoning.
The President isn't just going to commit political suicide without reason.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree then.

I respect your beliefs but the way I see it the President is answerable to the American people and if there is a valid reason then we have a right to know what it is. I will not accept the argument that he doesn't have to answer for getting Americans killed on his watch, especially if the reason is just to protect his political career.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I'll believe corporations are people when one goes to jail and Texas executes it.

To argue a corporation is a person is ridiculous on its face. A corporation is not flesh and blood. It has no citizenship. Why would you grant a corporation say over the political process of a country when it owes absolutely no loyalty to one? A corporation can move it's home office to any country it desires and that decision is based on pure profit and economic motives, not any sense of patriotism or duty to a country.

A corporation is an association of people enacted to reduce liability and facilitate economic activity. It is not a person. It has the economic rights of an individual - can own land, enter into contracts, conduct trade, etc - but where I take issue is that just because we've assigned corporations the economic rights of an individual, that doesn't mean that we need to assign it political rights as well. You ask why an association of people shouldn't have a say in the political process but that's a red herring - it ignores the fact that a corporation is an association of people acting to an economic end, not a political one. No one starts a company in order to engage in the democratic process, they start one in order to make money. You're conflating the two aspects when they should remain separate. There are already avenues for people to associate together in order to influence the democratic process - PACs, for one. Why do we need to grant corporations more rights that don't pertain to their core purpose?

To say that a corporation is an association of people and it should be granted rights is to ignore what a corporation actually is. Does the mail clerk at Goldman Sachs have a say in corporate policy? So why should we grant Goldman political rights when in actuality the actions of a corporation are decided by a very small group of people at the top of the organization? That's granting those people a lot of power, and it's not granting that same power to those lower on the totem pole.

Have you by chance seen the HBO series" The Newsroom"? Your comment reminds me of several scenes. Talks about the concept of a greater fool and the difference between a corporation and an individual. Great show! You should definitely check it out. I think you'll like it.