Sir David Attenborough says we in serious trouble if we dont change our ways.

[Ducimus]

I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

[AVGWarhawk]

Lack of food will not reduce the population. Nuclear could reduce the population but I do not see that as happening. What I see reducing the population can not bee seen with the naked eye. Bacterial or viral will be the demise of a population. Today, some infectious bacteria are relentless and require many forms of treatment to combat.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

Yeah I think that more 'WOR' will be the more likley option
Mankind is really good at innovation, but really bad sustainablity.
I guess you can only make money from the former.

[Codz]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

Not interstellar colonization(unless there are massive advances in spacecraft propulsion). Interplanetary colonization is very possible with the proper budget. The problem is, many politicians are unwilling to look to the future and would rather continue the endless cycle of "fixing internal issues".

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Codz

Not interstellar colonization(unless there are massive advances in spacecraft propulsion). Interplanetary colonization is very possible with the proper budget. The problem is, many politicians are unwilling to look to the future and would rather continue the endless cycle of "fixing internal issues".

What? Is there no room on the Russian rockets?

[Codz]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What? Is there no room on the Russian rockets?

The current batch of Russian rockets aren't good for much more than LEO operations. NASA is currently developing several options for BEO operations.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Codz

The current batch of Russian rockets aren't good for much more than LEO operations. NASA is currently developing several options for BEO operations.

My point is, the USA does not much support space travel anymore.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

. However, as a industrialized nation(US), growth was exceptionally fast. I would suspect decline could go just as fast.

That's about what i'm saying. We may or we may not see that drastic change (fall?) within our lifetimes, but given the way things are going and how they're being run, it's a safe bet that ship has already departed. The question really is, how long tell it gets here? We may see it, we may not. Odds are we won't see it, but our children or grandchildren will.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

My point is, the USA does not much support space travel anymore.

Yeah. Colonization? HA! We'd be lucky to set foot on the moon again. I doubt we ever will.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

That's about what i'm saying. We may or we may not see that drastic change (fall?) within our lifetimes, but given the way things are going and how they're being run, it's a safe bet that ship has already departed. The question really is, how long tell it gets here? We may see it, we may not. Odds are we won't see it, but our children or grandchildren will.



Yeah. Colonization? HA! We'd be lucky to set foot on the moon again. I doubt we ever will.

I don't think we will see the changes in our time. My two kids(17 and 14) have recognized issues in the world. My one daughter said she wants to adopt.

The moon again? Not with the current administration.

[Codz]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

My point is, the USA does not much support space travel anymore.

Just because we retired one type of ship doesn't mean we're done. We had an even longer gap between the Shuttle and the Apollo capsules in the 70's and NASA did just fine. NASA has recieved funding to develop a new rocket and capsule designed for BEO missions. We also have an incredibly advanced rover heading to Mars. We have astronauts on the ISS. We have a probe that's been actively exploring the Saturn system for years. To top it off, we have probes en route to Pluto, Ceres, and Jupiter. I'd hardly call all of that "not much".

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Codz

Just because we retired one type of ship doesn't mean we're done. We had an even longer gap between the Shuttle and the Apollo capsules in the 70's and NASA did just fine. NASA has recieved funding to develop a new rocket and capsule designed for BEO missions. We also have an incredibly advanced rover heading to Mars. We have astronauts on the ISS. We have a probe that's been actively exploring the Saturn system for years. To top it off, we have probes en route to Pluto, Ceres, and Jupiter. I'd hardly call all of that "not much".

We have been probing for decades. The rovers have been to Mars. The ISS looks to be a good will gesture to me. Currently, we ain't got nothing getting the USA to space. I do not hang my hat on space manned flight with the current administration.