Who should vote in the US?

[nikimcbee]

Speaking of voter fraud, Ore-gone is a one party rule state and we have vote by mail. Our last election for gov was very close the republican was ahead at the end of the day in the rest of the state, but the democrats have their ace card up their sleave; they always count the city of Portland last.

And guess what, they magically find bags of uncounted ballots from Portland...

...and the demmicrat reign continues.

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Fixed.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yes, sad but true. Have to hang this one on the Democrats, they are always pushing to allow people to vote with no serious ID verification. Hell, we should also allow the Chinese to vote in our elections, they own most of the country.

Misconception. the chinese hold the largest debt out of any FOREIGN nation, but they only control about 2 trillion. no, the Us is still more in debt to its own people...

As for the democrats, its where we part ways. But MANY republicans are the same way about illegal immigration. It disgusts me to see such blatent disregard for the law, and the enforcers EMBRACINNG IT. In California, some even consider illegal immigration heroic, and people who stand up and proudly display their illegality are heralded as brave and righteous. WHAT?!?! Looks like Obama is going to be another politician who tries to win the hispanic vote by "embracing" illegal immigrants.

I dont want obama back. i want someone stronger, unfortunately he/she is not present. We need to shut down the borders with unrelenting and swift force. Realistically, we need to reform immigration so its easier than now( I do agree the system is broke, no excuse to brake the laws that are in place though) to become a citizen, and actually ENFORCE zero tolerance for illegal immigrants.Its what needs to be done and no one seems to be able to step up and do it.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by privateer

Fixed.

Is that after a few shots of whiskey?

[Buddahaid]

Of course all voter fraud is on the Dem side.


Anyway there is all types of fraud. There are lots of seniors in homes that can't remember where they are but they still vote by proxy and there is no certainty that those votes are being cast as the senior desires.

[em2nought]

Voting is so boring, armed revolt would be much more interesting.

[Codz]

Originally Posted by tater

Heck, they even took write-in votes in AK where they read the "intent of the voter" even though the law says that the name must be spelled correctly for the vote to count.

In general, too many vote, IMHO. People without a basic understanding of government should be disallowed. Since public education exists, and is free, this is not a draconian standard since everyone has the free means by which to obtain this very minimal level of education.

Words can not describe the amount of disgust I am feeling at that statement. In a country with "universal" sufferage, everyone should be allowed to vote. Stupid or smart. Man or woman. Religious or irreligious. Straight or gay. American born or legal immigrant. Rich or impoverished.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Codz

Words can not describe the amount of disgust I am feeling at that statement. In a country with "universal" sufferage, everyone should be allowed to vote. Stupid or smart. Man or woman. Religious or irreligious. Straight or gay. American born or legal immigrant. Rich or impoverished.

Psychotic or anarchist? Extremely violent people? Meth addicts? (not convicted yet, of course) There needs to be a line drawn somewhere. I feel that propaganda, extreme fabrications, and general misinformation or lack of information altogether makes for an extremely poor vote cast. If only the world worked in such a way that our potential leaders can be broadcast as they are and not what they pretend to be. but it doesnt work that way. Those who literally base their votes off of the morsels of information they hear and through the propaganda media that blasts blatant lies are not fit to vote. However, excluding them would be immoral. I do not want the ship to sink because too many people cant take the time to actually investigate the people they vote for. I do not want to flounder with those people. But taking away their right to vote isnt the right thing to do either.

It sucks. We need to get the word out. You wouldnt believe some of the things ive heard said about both candidates. They consider Obama to be the worst president in the history of the United States. Pure propaganda and blatant lies, and people eat it up. Its infuriating. the public needs to stop being such lazy hypocrites and learn the truth. Even if we do get the truth out, were still plagued by incessant tribalism, and/or alterior motives. Its all about being against us or with us, never about the facts and making decisions based on it, it seems, within the masses. I really hate those kinds of people. "My side is better, regardless of the truth and the logic behind it. la la la im not listening". Tribalism, misinformation, and no information at all is whats causing so many poorly placed votes. It really needs to stop, its getting out of hand.

[Codz]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Psychotic or anarchist? Extremely violent people? Meth addicts? (not convicted yet, of course) There needs to be a line drawn somewhere. I feel that propaganda, extreme fabrications, and general misinformation or lack of information altogether makes for an extremely poor vote cast. If only the world worked in such a way that our potential leaders can be broadcast as they are and not what they pretend to be. but it doesnt work that way. Those who literally base their votes off of the morsels of information they hear and through the propaganda media that blasts blatant lies are not fit to vote. However, excluding them would be immoral. I do not want the ship to sink because too many people cant take the time to actually investigate the people they vote for. I do not want to flounder with those people. But taking away their right to vote isnt the right thing to do either.

It sucks. We need to get the word out. You wouldnt believe some of the things ive heard said about both candidates. They consider Obama to be the worst president in the history of the United States. Pure propaganda and blatant lies, and people eat it up. Its infuriating. the public needs to stop being such lazy hypocrites and learn the truth. Even if we do get the truth out, were still plagued by incessant tribalism, and/or alterior motives. Its all about being against us or with us, never about the facts and making decisions based on it, it seems, within the masses. I really hate those kinds of people. "My side is better, regardless of the truth and the logic behind it. la la la im not listening". Tribalism, misinformation, and no information at all is whats causing so many poorly placed votes. It really needs to stop, its getting out of hand.

I would allow everyone to vote. That includes anarchists, communists, and religious zealots. Regardless of how stupid, hateful, or ignorant their beliefs are, they deserve to voice them in free and fair elections. What happens when we start limiting voting rights? Are we going to start issuing "free speech licenses"? Are some people not smart enough to talk freely? The decisions of elected officials affect everyone in this country. That is why everyone needs to have their voice heard. I don't care how stupid, misinformed, or ignorant you or I think their candidate of choice is. We have to work to make people better informed the right way,but DO NOT start limiting their rights because YOU think they are not fit to vote. This nation was formed on the basis of everyone having a say in the matters of government. Not only the people that you or I deem "fit" to vote.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Codz

I would allow everyone to vote. That includes anarchists, communists, and religious zealots. Regardless of how stupid, hateful, or ignorant their beliefs are, they deserve to voice them in free and fair elections. What happens when we start limiting voting rights? Are we going to start issuing "free speech licenses"? Are some people not smart enough to talk freely? The decisions of elected officials affect everyone in this country. That is why everyone needs to have their voice heard. I don't care how stupid, misinformed, or ignorant you or I think their candidate of choice is. We have to work to make people better informed the right way,but DO NOT start limiting their rights because YOU think they are not fit to vote. This nation was formed on the basis of everyone having a say in the matters of government. Not only the people that you or I deem "fit" to vote.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Codz

I would allow everyone to vote. That includes anarchists, communists, and religious zealots. Regardless of how stupid, hateful, or ignorant their beliefs are, they deserve to voice them in free and fair elections. What happens when we start limiting voting rights? Are we going to start issuing "free speech licenses"? Are some people not smart enough to talk freely? The decisions of elected officials affect everyone in this country. That is why everyone needs to have their voice heard. I don't care how stupid, misinformed, or ignorant you or I think their candidate of choice is. We have to work to make people better informed the right way,but DO NOT start limiting their rights because YOU think they are not fit to vote. This nation was formed on the basis of everyone having a say in the matters of government. Not only the people that you or I deem "fit" to vote.

Having system where someone decides who is and who is not "fit" to vote allows great abuse. What you do when political parties get their voice heard in "committee" or similar body determining "fitness" of citizens?

[JU_88]

Who should vote in the US?

Anyone smart enough to vote for an independent.
Come on, D & R have surely dominated congress for long enough and they are just boring now.
With America in a decline, how about some real change to try and turn the ship around.
Why not let some one else have a go at driving? Gary Johnson maybe? ANYONE, JUST GET THE D's & R's OUT, whats the worst that can happen?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

As for the democrats, its where we part ways. But MANY republicans are the same way about illegal immigration. It disgusts me to see such blatent disregard for the law, and the enforcers EMBRACINNG IT. In California, some even consider illegal immigration heroic, and people who stand up and proudly display their illegality are heralded as brave and righteous. WHAT?!?! Looks like Obama is going to be another politician who tries to win the hispanic vote by "embracing" illegal immigrants.

I dont want obama back. i want someone stronger, unfortunately he/she is not present. We need to shut down the borders with unrelenting and swift force. Realistically, we need to reform immigration so its easier than now( I do agree the system is broke, no excuse to brake the laws that are in place though) to become a citizen, and actually ENFORCE zero tolerance for illegal immigrants.Its what needs to be done and no one seems to be able to step up and do it.

It's too late for California. That state is a lost cause. Rampant illegal immigration from Mexico has gone unchecked for too long. It's a Mexican province now. California is the poster child of what happens when you do nothing about illegal immigration, that says, "Act now before it's too late, or this will happen to you."

Aside from the unaffordable cost of living, that is one of the reasons i left California. It's great to live in America again. Where going down the street you'll see American flags instead of Mexican flags. Yeah, i seriously think you'll see more mexican flags flying in california then US flags.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's too late for California. That state is a lost cause. Rampant illegal immigration from Mexico has gone unchecked for too long. It's a Mexican province now. California is the poster child of what happens when you do nothing about illegal immigration, that says, "Act now before it's too late, or this will happen to you."

Aside from the unaffordable cost of living, that is one of the reasons i left California. It's great to live in America again. Where going down the street you'll see American flags instead of Mexican flags. Yeah, i seriously think you'll see more mexican flags flying in california then US flags.

Do you know have anyone yet proposed secession from United States of America and submitting application to become 32nd state of United Mexican States?

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Codz

I would allow everyone to vote. That includes anarchists, communists, and religious zealots. Regardless of how stupid, hateful, or ignorant their beliefs are, they deserve to voice them in free and fair elections. What happens when we start limiting voting rights? Are we going to start issuing "free speech licenses"? Are some people not smart enough to talk freely? The decisions of elected officials affect everyone in this country. That is why everyone needs to have their voice heard. I don't care how stupid, misinformed, or ignorant you or I think their candidate of choice is. We have to work to make people better informed the right way,but DO NOT start limiting their rights because YOU think they are not fit to vote. This nation was formed on the basis of everyone having a say in the matters of government. Not only the people that you or I deem "fit" to vote.

I said that. Taking away voting rights, regardless of how unfit I or someone else may think they are, is ridiculous. i didnt say anarchists or others shouldnt be allowed to vote, but my point was where the line was going to be drawn, if there was one. We dont allow prisoners to vote, not those in prison at least. Should they be allowed to vote? I dont think so, but its up to the majority in that state to decide.

My thoughts on the misinformation of the average voter and his inability to make a truly informed and educated decision do not take me to the point where i believe they shouldnt be allowed to vote. Im not saying they shouldnt be allowed, im saying that multitudes of people are simply making hasty ill-informed decisions without all the facts, making for a poor vote cast. Once they have gotten enough necessary information, truthful information, then they can make an educated decision instead of basing them off of the tidbits those people hear from biased sources. I never wanted to take away suffrage for the voter, i just want the voter to be informed before taking shots in the dark, which i think is ridiculous.

So yes, i agree, everyone should have the right to vote. But not everyone's vote is necessarily as informed as people hope they would be. I dont care what they end up choosing as long as they know about both sides of the equation. They choose whatever they want to choose, because its their right and freedom to do so.