Happy War of 1812 Day.

[Oberon]

1812 was a good year, the Canucks stayed loyal to the crown and Napoleon got his nether regions frozen off.



But this is the best song of 1812:




And Eiji Oue conducts it just perfectly, the best I've witnessed.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But this is the best song of 1812:




And Eiji Oue conducts it just perfectly, the best I've witnessed.

It is wonderful, but it has nothing to do with the 'War of 1812'.

This song, on the other hand:

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It is wonderful, but it has nothing to do with the 'War of 1812'.

This song, on the other hand:

Well, it was A war in 1812... Besides, you declared war on us, and then our PM got shot...not the greatest timing...

Plus your song, as good as it is, lacks cannons

I'd like to think had we not been already at war with Boney we might have made more of a show of it, buuut given how well the war of Independence went for us I'd say that we'd still have been kicked out of the US

[yubba]

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by yubba

That song was written by an Englishman John Newton.

Furthermore Memorial Day is an American holiday Oberon and Tribesman are not Americans.

You should have said if your are a US citizen you had better remember why you get next Monday off.What disgusts me is that is in the US many retailers choose to have sales on Memorial Day and the weekend leading up to it that sends the wrong message.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1...w=1680&bih=935

For the UK and former Commonwealth they have Remembrance Day.

Why is everyone forgetting Francis Scott Key may I ask what about that poem and later song?There you have direct relation yet everyone thinks of a song written in 1959 when the US national anthem lyrics where inspired by an event during the War of 1812 of course it did not become the national anthem until 1931.

Furthermore Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture was written in 1880 while the music for The Star-Spangled Banner was written in 1780 making The Star-Spangled Banner the most closely related to the War of 1812 or or 1812 for that matter.1812 Overture is a very good piece of music though.

[yubba]

Well it needs to be international, less we forget, so we are not destend to repeat our mistakes.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well it needs to be international, less we forget, so we are not destend to repeat our mistakes.

That, Yubba, is something I think we can ALL agree on.

[Jimbuna]

Another interesting topic/conversation takes place whilst old buna is in his sack recovering from a drink or three

Starting to get a little paranoid

God Save the Queen

That would be British Canada in 1812 it was a British colony at the time not a free nation and at that time territory used by an enemy of the United Sates so it was not a stupid strategy.Also the British where threatening American trade prior to the war and these actions where the primary cause of the conflict.

Most of he primary causes of the war were settled before the war started, those that were not settled before the war started were still not settled when both sides called it a draw (or in "military terms" a waste of time) in their peace treaty.

Actually the US was ill prepared for the start yet we did still win the war you don't have to win every battle:

It was ill prepared at the start even though Madison and Congress had been planning it for a whole year before they declared whereas Britain was commited elsewhere and totally unprepared on that front. And they didn't win, it says so in the peace treaty of status quo which your government agreed to.

The War of 1812 gave a dramatic boost to the manufacturing capabilities of the United States.

what has a wartime boost to domestic manufacturing got to do with the devestation of its international trade?
Plus of course the temporary boost in domestic manufacturing for local consumption led to a post war slump in that very sector when the import market re-opened.
But hey going from nearly a million tons down to 60,000 in your primary business over 3 years must be good for finances eh?

In the end it was the actions of the British government that caused the war in the first place to protect its sovereignty the US had no choice but to declare war.

In the end it was both government playing silly buggers that caused the war, but that is normally the case isn't it.

Don't make me refer you to my old thread in which I thoroughly refuted that argument.

But Steve it doesn't refute that arguement and doesn't even go near the trade angle (which lets face it was the other war aim)

Control of the lakes is no good without control of the land and control of the land is no good without control of the lakes.
Since the main US aim of the whole fiasco from the very start was to sieze upper and lower canada through a land invasion, the fact that the land invasions got battered repeatedly means they got their butt kicked.

Overcoming the Provincial Marine was a good achievement, but not unexpected given the nature of that arm and it was still useless in real terms as the aim was not to control the lakes but to sieze the land.

Starting to get a little paranoid

You are not paranoid, it is true, but they are trying to keep it secret from you.