Why don't people wear their seat belts?

[antikristuseke]

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

And what of the person who was not wearing a helmet and and they suffer brain damage and now society has to pay for their care not to mention the increase in insurance costs that everyone gets to share. People do not die in every motorbike crash even the ones not wearing helmets.

Sure motorcycles are dangerous but much more so without a helmet there are accidents that wearing a helmet will save your life or save you from permanent disabling head injuries or from your face getting skinned off by the road.It cant save you from everything just like a seat belt can not but would you think a solider was stupid for not wearing every bit of armor possible even though it can not stop everything either better something than nothing.

the way I see if an event has a good chance of occurring you might as well protect yourself as much as possible there are plenty of vehicle accidents so such a thing is likely.A cop or solider is much more likely to get shot at than the average Joe so might as well wear body armor.

[antikristuseke]

That is an indirect thing, though I see your point. Then again some times the gene pool needs a bit of chlorine, if that is by peoples own action and choise so much the better.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

That is an indirect thing, though I see your point. Then again some times the gene pool needs a bit of chlorine, if that is by peoples own action and choise so much the better.

So you want some guy that is stupid enough to not wear a helmet suffer brain damage now he cant work and he will collect disability for the rest of his life perhaps need care as well now some form of insurance must cover all this so via taxes or private insurance you will get to pay for his mistake to some extent.

I'd rather have laws that stop at least some from doing what is described above and let disease and DNA itself do its work.

Also nearly every person on this planet has done at least one stupid thing in their life that might have killed them so if doing a foolish thing that may harm or kill yourself is worthy of your genes being removed from the pool then we would not be around.

[Sailor Steve]

So maybe we need to outlaw anything that can harm us - cigarettes, fatty foods, skateboards? You seem to want to pick and choose your dangers. Motorcycles? Flight? Everything?

No, just the little ones you think you can affect without incurring the wrath of everyone you're trying to control.

[antikristuseke]

Steelhead, no, I do not want that, but if someone decides to taake it upon them-self to increase the likelyhood of permanent injury or death by their own action then it is their call to do so.

Also I never said that every stupid move should result in leaving the gene pool, survival has an element of chance in it, but in the long run that balances out. Hell, I have been in several situations where I could have ended up dead due to my own stupidity, had I died, that would have all been fair enough in my book.

As to rest of society paying for someones mistake, well yes, that happens, humans are social beings and at times we do pay for the mistakes of others, like it or not, but it is still better to leave people as much freedom what to do with their life as possible.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So maybe we need to outlaw anything that can harm us - cigarettes, fatty foods, skateboards? You seem to want to pick and choose your dangers. Motorcycles? Flight? Everything?

No, just the little ones you think you can affect without incurring the wrath of everyone you're trying to control.

Well if we outlawed everything that is harmful then that would mean outlawing being alive as well seeing as sooner or later we will all die our DNA is also coded to kill us.


Actually it is an instinct to pick and choose dangers fight or flight for all living things including humans.A starving animal may choose to take a greater risk in order to feed than it does under normal circumstances.

As to human activities sure many are possibly dangerous but you can reduce the risk by not attempting something beyond your skill/experience level when it comes to something like riding motorcycles or on a skateboard.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

As to human activities sure many are possibly dangerous but you can reduce the risk by not attempting something beyond your skill/experience level when it comes to something like riding motorcycles or on a skateboard.

That's good advice, and when it comes to motorcycles and automobiles you have to prove at least a minimal skill level to be awarded a license to operate them on public streets. This is to minimize the danger to others. As for danger to ourselves? As I said, I think you're an idiot if you don't protect yourself, but it's not my place to force you to. Stupidity is one of the basic freedoms.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

It's not all just about the risk to the individual. I guarantee you over 50% of MC riders have no kind of insurance to cover the medical bills when they crack their skulls. You and I are paying from them.

Now, if we agree to a system where the first responders check the injured party for insurance, I would be ok with no helmet law.

"He looks pretty bad, broken leg, shoulder, probable concussion and head injuries. Bob, check his driver's license, does he have the medical insurance box checked?"

"No, George, he does not. Apparently he can afford a $28,000 Harley, $40 HD shirt, $20 doo-rag, and some pretty extensive tattoo work, but he didn't think it was important to pay for insurance or a helmet."

"Ah, well, let's go. (shouts at downed rider) Good luck, buddy!"

[Stealhead]

The "wallet biopsy" they do not do that and I argue that such a thing would discriminate against any person who lacks medical insurance.Should a 6 year old kid receive no aid if his arm gets broken and his parents have no insurance?

Now if you mean a "wallet biopsy" on a person who clearly has the coin that is a different story.

[Onkel Neal]

I know they don't do a wallet biopsy, that's my point Six year old rarely take their Harley on the street, either.

And if you can't allocate your income to have insurance but you can afford a motorcycle, you have no business riding.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I know they don't do a wallet biopsy, that's my point Six year old rarely take their Harley on the street, either.

And if you can't allocate your income to have insurance but you can afford a motorcycle, you have no business riding.

This is true and riding is a fairly expensive hobby if you have the proper gear you should be able to afford the insurance.I understand that some people ride and do not even have a license.

A paramedic friend of mine he works for volusia county (Daytona Beach Bike Week) he says that cops bust people for no motorcycle endorsement or motorcycle only license all the time.Last year he saw a dead rider and his dead wife he lacked the required license and the crash was his fault as well oh and they also had skulls for helmets or what was left of them.