Rogue Soldier kills Afghan civilians

Hottentot · 03-11-12, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

First thoughts?

Bugger.

Mine: a perfectly good head on his shoulders and he didn't manage to hit it. Provided that this goes like the press so far has covered it.

Torplexed · 03-11-12, 09:28 AM

This incident has been a double tragedy. Obviously, the deaths of innocents, but also the mental breakdown of a soldier. I wouldn't call it a "My Lai" as it was a lone wolf crazy following his own deranged orders, but it may not matter.

After the urinating incident, and the Koran burning incident we are in position where profuse (and desperate sounding) apologies from afar don't cut it anymore...if they ever did.

Schroeder · 03-11-12, 10:04 AM

Oh boy, here we'll go again....

Don't hands out weapons to mentally unstable people.

Dowly · 03-11-12, 10:09 AM

Skybird · 03-11-12, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Oh boy, here we'll go again....

Don't hands out weapons to mentally unstable people.

Everybody has his breaking point. EVERYBODY. For some it is more upwards on the scale, for others it is somewhere lower. Expose any man long enough to war, and he finds his sooner or later.

This guy just found his.

Onkel Neal · 03-11-12, 11:24 AM

Turn him over to the Afghan legal system.

Gargamel · 03-11-12, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Turn him over to the Afghan legal system.

Normally, I'd say let the military courts handle this. But no this time. This needs to be handled by the locals for multiple reasons. Their closure and international relations just to name a couple.

Torplexed · 03-11-12, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

Normally, I'd say let the military courts handle this. But no this time. This needs to be handled by the locals for multiple reasons. Their closure and international relations just to name a couple.

They simply can't do it. Recruiting would likely plummet like a rock if we started the precedent of handing our wayward soldiers over to local justice, no matter the crime.

Ducimus · 03-12-12, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Turn him over to the Afghan legal system.

Ordinarly, im not a big advocate of that, but In this incident, I believe that is probably the best course of action for the US and all Forces there. Anything less then turning him over to the Afghan legal system will appear that we are in collusion, or otherwise protecting this individual. Which makes EVERYBODY look bad. We need to distance ourselves from him.

My thought is give him a Court Martial that will strip him of all rank, proclaim as part of his punishment, that he is to be turned over the the Afghan legal system (Delivery to be done with him in a Prisoner jumpsuit and NOT in ANY uniform), and after his sentencing from the Afghan courts (most assuirdly death), he be given a Dishonorable discharge.

eddie · 03-12-12, 04:59 PM

He is facing the death penalty if he is found sane, but according to a recent article about this, they said-

"According to military officials, the soldier will be tried within the military justice system, not turned over to Afghan authorities for trial, rebuffing a call from Afghan lawmakers to use their courts."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-death-penalty

Rockstar · 03-12-12, 05:04 PM

Apparently they are going to bring him back for courts martial.

Afghanistan: Casualties of a Pre-Dawn Killing Spree - The Daily Beast

http://pulse.me/s/6UpXW

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Jimbuna · 03-12-12, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ordinarly, im not a big advocate of that, but In this incident, I believe that is probably the best course of action for the US and all Forces there. Anything less then turning him over to the Afghan legal system will appear that we are in collusion, or otherwise protecting this individual. Which makes EVERYBODY look bad. We need to distance ourselves from him.

My thought is give him a Court Martial that will strip him of all rank, proclaim as part of his punishment, that he is to be turned over the the Afghan legal system (Delivery to be done with him in a Prisoner jumpsuit and NOT in ANY uniform), and after his sentencing from the Afghan courts (most assuirdly death), he be given a Dishonorable discharge.

Then I'm pleased it wasn't a Brit soldier...better the death penalty (if that is the outcome and a legal judgement) be carried out in his country of origin.

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Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	This incident has been a double tragedy. Obviously, the deaths of innocents, but also the mental breakdown of a soldier. I wouldn't call it a "My Lai" as it was a lone wolf crazy following his own deranged orders, but it may not matter. After the urinating incident, and the Koran burning incident we are in position where profuse (and desperate sounding) apologies from afar don't cut it anymore...if they ever did.

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Turn him over to the Afghan legal system.

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Apparently they are going to bring him back for courts martial. Afghanistan: Casualties of a Pre-Dawn Killing Spree - The Daily Beast http://pulse.me/s/6UpXW .