And yet gasoline prices rise

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by jumpy

Considering the price of petrol and diesel here in the UK, all of you over the pond can shut the hell up about how much 'gas' costs

Only if your daily commute looks something like this. If you don't have the commute to match, then you can kindly shut yer yap.

[STEED]

The gas...sorry petrol war has started.

[jumpy]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Only if your daily commute looks something like this. If you don't have the commute to match, then you can kindly shut yer yap.

lol
Well, I've had one or two jobs with that kind of commute mileage here in the UK. Hell, some of our contracts managers used to do almost a hundred miles each way to head office 4 days a week.
You chaps don't have a monopoly on the work commute you know. Tbh, if you have to travel more than 90 minutes each way, you should move or get a better job.

Having said all of that, if you work an office job, commuting is so last century... it's only jobsworth managers who are determined to prolong the stoneage; when everyone has decent internet connections, why can't I do my job from home any less efficiently than in an office that I have to spend almost an hour to get to each morning, burning precious time alive that I will never have refunded, not to mention the fuel to et there... instead of starting early because my computer is only in the next room at home?
Something is seriously wrong with the business model imo.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by jumpy

lol
Well, I've had one or two jobs with that kind of commute mileage here in the UK. Hell, some of our contracts managers used to do almost a hundred miles each way to head office 4 days a week.

Hold that thought....

Don't you folks have mass transportation? Trains, subway's and such?

We don't have those in any quantity to speak of.

[jumpy]

^^

Sure we do, but outside of say, London or maybe Birmingham, they're practically useless if you have to get anywhere by a specific time. Plus getting in and out of my home city on the bus costs about the same as paying for fuel in a car every week, with the added bonus of being late every day.

The Tube in london is great. But it's over a hundred miles away from me, so it's not much use

Public transport in this country is a joke.
Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know.
We went from having an unreliable transport service that was cheap (read government subsidised - like germany and france and most of europe do with theirs), to having an unreliable transport service that is now prohibitively expensive for a lot of people.
Owning your own vehicle and fuelling it is getting that way now too; steady rises in insurance premiums, road tax and fuel duty - lets be clear: were it not for each and every government here adding 2/3's of the cost of every litre of fuel at the pump as tax/fuel duty, I wouldn't have half as much to lambaste as I do.

[Ducimus]

Yeah, and just how much idling do ya do? Hmmm?

Here's some pictures of that same commute i linked to earlier.










Thank F'ing god i don't drive that anymore. I did that for 5 freaking years. It's a wonder I have any sanity left.

[Buddahaid]

What was that about supply and demand? Looks like the supply is there if we can afford to export it so no drilling or Mideast oil needed. It all a shell game.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1177559.html

We went from having an unreliable transport service that was cheap (read government subsidised - like germany and france and most of europe do with theirs), to having an unreliable transport service that is now prohibitively expensive for a lot of people.

Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got.

What was that about supply and demand? Looks like the supply is there if we can afford to export it

Looks like the demand is there as people are buying it.
If you didn't export it then you couldn't afford it as the price would go even higher.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

We don't have those in any quantity to speak of.

Maybe not down in Happy Valley, but up here in the real Utah I can ride the train and bus all over town. Until 20:00 hours, when they shut down. And the one I need doesn't run on Sundays. And it takes me two hours to get anywhere I need to go. And they don't match well, so I have a mile-and-a-half walk home from band practice.

But we have them! So there!

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Maybe not down in Happy Valley, but up here in the real Utah I can ride the train and bus all over town. Until 20:00 hours, when they shut down. And the one I need doesn't run on Sundays. And it takes me two hours to get anywhere I need to go. And they don't match well, so I have a mile-and-a-half walk home from band practice.

But we have them! So there!

How big city you live in Steve? In my town there is 130,000 people which of about 80,000 lives in city area. Here public transport works from 05.00-02.00 during week (some services start earlier in morning, some shutdown earlier in evening). I live in neigbourhood about 6 km (3,7 mi) from centre and between 05.00-18.00 bus goes every 10 min and between 18.00-01.00 every 20 min.

[Catfish]

:

"Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know."

"Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got."

"Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have."


You are all COMMUNISTS !!

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Catfish

:

"Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know."

"Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got."

"Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have."


You are all COMMUNISTS !!

Feel free to come here in Finland and check service quality of our railways. I used to adjust my watch based on train's arrival on station as they were usually within few seconds of correct time. Nowadays they are within 5 min in good day, within 30 min in normal day and within few hours in bad days.

EDIT: Above is about long range trains including regional, express, intercity and pendolino trains.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

How big city you live in Steve? In my town there is 130,000 people which of about 80,000 lives in city area. Here public transport works from 05.00-02.00 during week (some services start earlier in morning, some shutdown earlier in evening). I live in neigbourhood about 6 km (3,7 mi) from centre and between 05.00-18.00 bus goes every 10 min and between 18.00-01.00 every 20 min.

Salt Lake City is only 186,000, but the Salt Lake Valley has 1.25 million people in 16 cities.

UTA (Utah Transit Authority) likes to brag about the awards they've won, and for the most part it's a pretty good system. That said, sometimes it's a huge pain in the neck, and they scheduled the buses where I need to go so it seems like they want to make it worse, not better.

[Tchocky]

Would those in favour of stopping speculation in oil futures also want to restrict trading in other commodities?

I mean,oil price is a function partly of speculation, yes. But look at what that speculative industry uses for a basis - expected supply, expected demand, and the prime movers of both.

That's why hearing a USA presidential candidate talk about war with Iran and reducing gas prices in the same breath is ridiculous.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Only if your daily commute looks something like this. If you don't have the commute to match, then you can kindly shut yer yap.

My dad's usual commute http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Vi...ra=ltm&t=m&z=8