Sharon Bialek accuses Herman Cain of groping her

[vienna]

Wow, that Democrat Machine really works hard! Hope they got overtime...

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15641636


Note: Update record,8 November 2011 Last updated at 23:19 GMT

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Who knows. If the phantoms are materializing as vienna reports and they check out then Cain is toast. Bill Clinton proved that the American voter will put up with a sexual predator CiC but not a liar.

'Predator' implies that the women that Clinton had sexual relationships with were underage. I was not aware that this was the case, so either I am misinformed or you are taking a political cheap shot. I'd say the likelyhood of either is about 50-50.

Directly relating to the subject at hand, I believe that the arc of Cain's run has passed it's zenith; not due as much to the controversy but rather to his choleric response to it. Politics is a horrible and ugly profession; one that I cannot understand the appeal of. People are going to say nasty things about you and your family. Some will be true. Some will not be true. However, from what I have observed, success at the highest level this profession is largely due to one's ability to handle this sort of thing. LBJ had it. Nixon had it. So did, Clinton, Reagan, Carter and both Bushes. Even Obama is able to do it. Cain, like Palin, does not seem able to cope with it. Perhaps he is too undisciplined. Perhaps he is too decent a person to stand for it. Whatever the reason, it is proving to be his political undoing.

Politics hates good men, and that is what I hate about politics.

[AVGWarhawk]

'Predator' implies that the women that Clinton had sexual relationships with were underage

I don't believe predator implies underage. Predator hunts down what he/'she likes.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I don't believe predator implies underage. Predator hunts down what he/'she likes.

When prefaced with 'sexual' it implies that the object of the 'affection' is underage, yes.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Now you sound like Glenn Beck

So expecting real data - aka facts - makes someone a loon. Accusation is enough for you then. Got it.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Yes Herman, the "Democrat machine" dangled those women in front of you back in the mid-90's because they knew you couldn't resist fondling them. The Democrat machine also kept your hush money under wraps for years until the perfect time to strike.

So with the reality that the first public accuser has a history of job and financial trouble, lives beside a well known democratic operative, is represented by a pure political hack, the fact that the second public accuser filed a complaint that was investigated and found to be without merit (which Cain had nothing to do with the investigation), and 2 anonymous sources - you have already decided that he "couldn't resist fondling them." So in other words, you have already condemned the man as guilty - without a shred of evidence to support the allegations.

Oh - and lets not forget - how come none of this came up 7 years ago when Cain was running for the Senate in 2004? Its not like politics got dirty in that time frame....

This is a fabricated character assassination of the worst kind. What is worse, those with a political axe to grind don't care - as long as the conservative black guy gets put back down where he belongs.

Absolutely disgusting.

[mookiemookie]

Where there's smoke, there's fire, Hap. If bringing about random unfounded accusations of sexual harassment were an effective means of taking out your political opponents, then it would be standard practice. It's not, so reason says there's gotta be something to it.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

as long as the conservative black guy gets put back down where he belongs.

You know how much the right rolls their eyes when those on the left play the race card? Yeah, you're straying into that territory here.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

'Predator' implies that the women that Clinton had sexual relationships with were underage. I was not aware that this was the case, so either I am misinformed or you are taking a political cheap shot. I'd say the likelyhood of either is about 50-50.

I'd say you were misinformed as "Predator" implies no such thing. You're saying that a serial rapist is not a sexual predator?

Bill Clinton was a much milder version but he was a sexual predator nonetheless.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

I'd say you were misinformed as "Predator" implies no such thing. You're saying that a serial rapist is not a sexual predator?

Bill Clinton was a much milder version but he was a sexual predator nonetheless.

Type 'sexual predator' into Google and see what you get. That is unless you were claiming that Clinton had raped these women. At the very least, you are stretching the term to prove a political point. I though you above this sort of thing, but perhaps I have misjudged you. Wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong about someone.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Type 'sexual predator' into Google and see what you get. That is unless you were claiming that Clinton had raped these women. At the very least, you are stretching the term to prove a political point. I though you above this sort of thing, but perhaps I have misjudged you. Wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong about someone.

Oh get off your high horse pal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_predator

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Oh get off your high horse pal.

I could turn that one right around on you. How many times have you accused people of playing these very sort of semantics?

EDIT in response to your edit:

From the Wiki (emphasis mine):

A sexual predator is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations that are deemed exploitative. However, in some states, the term "sexual predator" is applied to anyone who has been convicted of certain crimes, regardless of whether or not there is a history of similar behavior.

Exploitative:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploitative

It is, at best, difficult to label consensual relations between adults as exploitative. I suppose that you would argue that the power inherent in Clinton's position implies exploit, but I see that line of argument as tenuous at best.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I could turn that one right around on you. How many times have you accused people of playing these very sort of semantics?

Go right ahead.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Go right ahead.

A simple read of your post history will find a number of statements. If you are going to conveniently forget about your complaints regarding people splitting hairs in order to prove a point, there is no point in attempting to engage you in discussion. After all, both you and I know that those complaints are there; it is silly for us to pretend that they are not. If you are so concerned with being 'right' that you are prepared to sacrifice intellectual honesty, then I have no time for you.

Somebody's stock just lost a hefty amount of value in my book.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Somebody's stock just lost a hefty amount of value in my book.

Oh woe is me! Cause you know my entire world revolves around your opinion of my opinion of Bill Clinton.

So what has put the burr under your saddle about me suddenly?

First you come off with some lame redefinition of a commonly used term and then you try to split hairs once your inaccuracy is brought to light.

Well tell me Mister Judgement, what was so consensual about Clinton exposing himself to Paula Jones? What was so consensual about him groping Kathleen Wiley? What was so consensual about him raping Juanita Broaddrick?

He paid Paula Jones 20 times what the National Restaurant Association supposedly paid this Karen Kraushaar woman and you question my fairness. Ain't that a hoot.

[1480]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I could turn that one right around on you. How many times have you accused people of playing these very sort of semantics?

EDIT in response to your edit:

From the Wiki (emphasis mine):



Exploitative:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exploitative

It is, at best, difficult to label consensual relations between adults as exploitative. I suppose that you would argue that the power inherent in Clinton's position implies exploit, but I see that line of argument as tenuous at best.

Exploitative is for anyone in a position of authority or respect, uses said status for personal gain. Personal gain can mean, money, influence, sex, favors and the list can go on.