NY bus accused of sex discrimination

[vienna]

Questions not answered in the BBC story:

1. Does the bus service get any federal, state, or local funding or subsidies? If it does, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

2. Does the bus line only serve a particular population, i.e., it does not pick up members of the public at large at regular bus stops but only provides service by subscription, for example. If it doesn't, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

Religious or other factors do not apply as an exemption if the line is public and/or sudsidized by tax dollars or open to the general public...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by vienna

Questions not answered in the BBC story:

1. Does the bus service get any federal, state, or local funding or subsidies? If it does, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

2. Does the bus line only serve a particular population, i.e., it does not pick up members of the public at large at regular bus stops but only provides service by subscription, for example. If it doesn't, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

Religious or other factors do not apply as an exemption if the line is public and/or sudsidized by tax dollars or open to the general public...

It is a privately CONTRACTED bus by the city - which pays the contract from the public coffer - so it is recieving public funds, one way or the other.

As the bus is "public" - it would serve the public at large. As a public transportation vehicle, it would be illegal to refuse to pick up a member of the general public based on them not being part of a "specific population" group.

If this is happening - the bus contractor has stepped in the cowpie.

[Penguin]

In my opinion the signs in those busses are illegal, but it will not be easy to blame the bus company, as the passengers insisted on the change of seats. The driver could be blamed for not enforcing anti-discrimination laws by not having taken action.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

It is a privately CONTRACTED bus by the city - which pays the contract from the public coffer - so it is recieving public funds, one way or the other.

The original article, linked in the BBC article, stated that the bus company is not a contractor but a franchise taker, which pays the city for the license to operate the line.
However it still falls under the MTA authority and thus is bound to their laws which forbid segregation.

Originally Posted by MH

In Jerusalem you can easily ride a bus with orthodox and lite dressed women mixed together.
At rear occasions one can be asked politely to change seat to be next to a man so that woman can be next to women.
You can respect that or tell them to bugger off which happens sometimes as well.

As someone who traditionally likes to ride in the back, I have a question: What would happen if I sat in the back, would the women insist on a seat change, would the males regard me as a traitor? Or would they just see me as a weird tourist guy?

Originally Posted by MH

NYC is different case.
As the NYC mayor put it-They can buy their own buses.

Yep, or just buy the women a cab ride, where they sit in the back

Originally Posted by MH

I simply hate how those things turn in to Jews do this... do that issue... because of ww2... blah ...blah.
If anyone can turn those anti Zionists into scientist and doctors ill be glad to know how it can be done.

It's the same we see in all the other threads, e.g. the Tea Party/Occupy thing: blame them all for some goofballs in their rows.

Btw: I am a former anti-zionist, who will hold a scientific degree (hopefully) soon.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Penguin

As someone who traditionally likes to ride in the back, I have a question: What would happen if I sat in the back, would the women insist on a seat change, would the males regard me as a traitor? Or would they just see me as a weird tourist guy?

I have never been on those super ultra kosher buses so i cant say- have no business there and no reason for that.
all i can say that if you sat next to woman she would probably run for her life and take on acceptable distance from you...
You could be asked to to change seat then situation might escalate into name calling if you don't follow the rules.
My religious friend had an issue like that when he took front seat together with his wife on ultra kosher bus.
He said it was unpleasant and idiotic situation.
He made his way on the bus by mistake having no practical idea about them.
In his view ultra orthodoxy's modesty concepts are totally out of context.
Actually all this bus separation is relatively new concept-some attribute it the fact that non religious undress themselves lately too much therefore its getting difficult for modesty observant ultra orthodox to deal with this progress.

Originally Posted by Penguin

Btw: I am a former anti-zionist, who will hold a scientific degree (hopefully) soon.

That's cool.
You have taken a tight turn in life...to the dark side lol.