Well I thought I had a good idea

[TorpX]

I like it.

But wouldn't it be better if the text was in the upper right corner?

Also please put back the commisioning date, that was a nice touch.

[fred8615]

Originally Posted by TorpX

I like it.

But wouldn't it be better if the text was in the upper right corner?

Also please put back the commisioning date, that was a nice touch.

It cuts off the text if you put it too close to the edge of the image. That's why it's not all the way to the edge of the stern. I figured the stern was better than the front, and definitely better than centered, where it would cover up the conning tower.

As for the commission date, because the same image is used for all the subs in a class, I can't put the commission date for any individual sub. Only the class info.

Now I could put the commission date back in the tooltip. That's for each individual sub. But that would have the same problem as before, printing out in the messages too. It wouldn't be as bad as writing out ALL the info like before, but some might find it annoying.

What do ya'll think?

EDIT: It occurred to me after posting my reply, you might think the text is a separate image superimposed on the sub image. It's actually the sub image with the text added to it. An image or maybe even a box with the info in it probably could be made and positioned in that area of the subsystems screen. But it would require editing of the menu_1024_768.ini file beyond my capabilities. And of course would also conflict with any other mod that changes the menu_1024_768.ini file. If anyone else wants to try it that way though, be my guest.

[TorpX]

As for the commission date, because the same image is used for all the subs in a class, I can't put the commission date for any individual sub. Only the class info.

Right, I should have realised that.

[fred8615]

Well, it looks like using the sub image method isn't going to work either.

The problem now is the game uses the same image for two different classes, and it does this twice.

The S-18 and S-42 both use one of the five S-class images, apparently depending upon the paint scheme and conning tower configuration. The Sargo uses the same three images as the Salmon class.

I tried putting the S-42 info in one of the images, then edited the NSS_S42.upc file here:

MenuSilhouetteTextureName= S_Class_02b.tga

...to open it instead of the image listed. I used the 02b image for the S-42 info, the 01b image (the default) for the S-18 info. But when I tested it, it used the S-18 image for the S-42. Obviously this isn't the file that needs editing.

So I have no idea what to do next. While it works fine for the other classes, I don't want to have some with info and some without. And since there were some significant differences, I don't want to use one class and not the other. If it can't be done right, there's no point in doing it.

[fred8615]

One of these days, I'm going to learn not to get p.o.ed and post until I thoroughly check things out. In other words...

I found it!!!

It's the UnitParts4SClass.upc in UPCData\UPCUnitsData. Specifically this line:

MenuSilhouetteTextureNameOverride= S_Class_01b.tga

The file changes further down when the conning tower changes. Only problem is, both S classes use the same UnitParts file. I think I can solve that problem by copying the original UnitParts, renaming it to S42Class, copying and renaming the images, then changing the calls for them in the new file and the NSS_.upc file. My only question is, how to make sure the game uses the new UnitParts file? Will it read it automatically, or is there another file I need to edit?

EDIT: I found out. It reads the new file automatically.

It'll be a bit easier for the Sargo because it already has its own UnitParts file. I'll just need to copy and rename the images, then change the calls.

This project is turning out to be a lot more work, and aggravation, than I thought it would be. But I'm going to finish it now, even if it kills me!!

And if I run into one more snag, it just might!

[magic452]

Originally Posted by fred8615

This project is turning out to be a lot more work, and aggravation, than I thought it would be.

Don't they all

Hope you get it working, looks good to me. Some handy info there.

Magic

[CapnScurvy]

Hi Fred, been gone for longer than I expected (you "make hay when it sunshines", lately its wheat and making straw!).

Looks like you're doing OK with the project. I do have a couple of other ideas.

The menu_1024_768.ini file creates the 2D screens within the game. Some screens like the Sonar or Radar stations are made from the 3D models found in the correct .dat files, but the crew management screen is made up through the menu_1024_768.ini file. Some screens have a mixture of both 3D elements and 2D images that require different processes. I pointed out that I put a tooltip on the Deck Gun screens and the following is what it looks like.




Just a small tooltip that explains what the figures at the ammunition selection area mean. For this to appear you need to "link" the information to an existing item in the menu_1024 file. The menu_1024 file has three categories for the deck guns used in the game. Main gun found in the section G38, The 37mm found in the G39, and the 20mm found in the G3A section.

Since the picture above is of the 20mm station the following is the first 3 entries in that section.

[G3A I1]
Name=Page 20mm gun
Type=1027;Menu page
ItemID=0x3A000000
ParentID=0x0
Pos=0,0,1024,768
Zone= 0 768 1024 768 2 1 0x0 0.5 -0.5 0x3A000000 -0.5 0.5 0 0
LoadingMode=2

[G3A I2]
Name=Shells
Type=1026;Menu group
ItemID=0x3A010000
ParentID=0x3A000000
Pos=814,-284,120,200
Zone= 814 484 120 200 0 1 0x3A000000 1 -0.5 0x3A010000 -1.75 0.5 0 0
Color=0xFFFFFFFF

[G3A I3]
Name=GunText
Type=1031;Static bmp
ItemID=0x3A010007
ParentID=0x3A010000
Pos=2,-149,120,16
Zone= 882 335 120 16 0 1 0x3A010002 0.5 -1 0x3A010007 -0.5 0 0 -20
BmpState=1
ToolTipText=2215

This colored "Item3" entry was added to the section to create the tooltip. The actual wording of the tooltip is done in the menu.txt file at the #2215 entry.

A couple of things that you should do when you make an entry like this. First, you need to know what ItemID number is available for you to use. The entry needs to have an ID that is different from any others. I found that the 0x3A010006 was the last ID used so, 0x3A010007 became the ID for this item entry.

When you make an item ID I found you'll get a CTD when you place it out of sequence when compared to the lower numbered items. It seems the file is read from the bottom up, not the top down, so the higher numbered ID's need to appear "above" the lower ones. From a modding point of view this creates a bit of a problem in that the new entry needs to be placed towards the top of the section and the remaining section item numbers (G3A I4, to the end) need to be changed to keep everything in sequence. Luckily these sections don't have too many entries (some have several hundred).

The ParentID is critical, it's what the entry is linked or related to. In this case the Parent is the "Shells" entry just above in the I2 entry. You need the tooltip to be linked to an item that forms a "Menu Group", the item 0x3A010000 does this.

The Position and Zone lines tell the tooltip where to be positioned on the page (follow the tutorial by zAmboni).

The BmpState=1 sets-up the tooltip to have the ability to have the mouse "captured" when you move over the particular area that the zone line defines. This allows the tooltip to be "seen" when you mouse over the spot. So does the reference of the "Type=1031;Static bmp". This Type=1031 tells the game that the image can trap the mouse, where a Type=1030 does not. Stuff that mean the difference between getting things to work or not.

I spent some time trying different things with the Crew Management screen found in the menu_1024_768.ini file in the [G61] section. Unlike the Deck Gun sections, there wasn't much to work with. I found the entry for placement of the sub image found below. Notice the reference to the Gato image. Apparently the game code changes the image to the correct sub picture found in this folder.

[G61 I15]
Name=Submarine
Type=1030;Static bmp
ItemID=0x61000001
ParentID=0x61000000
Pos=276,-36,694,120
Zone= 276 732 694 120 1 1 0x6100000E 0.5 -0.125 0x61000001 -0.5 0.5 0 0
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/data/submarineclasses/gato_class_01.tga
Crop 0=0.0976563,0.195313,0.847656,0.585938
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0

This same entry appears in the other sections of the Weapons & Sensors, Sub Systems, and the Torpedo sections as well. Differently placed through the Zone Line parameters.

Since the image already has a static text of the subs name appear when you mouse over it (as you know) but this ability does not exist in the menu_1024 file!?! It's apparently hard coded as well. So I couldn't change anything since there was nothing to change!!

I did however find the entry for the top left area of the Crew Management screen that names the sub and it's sub class.

[G61 I75]
Name=Left Top Panel
Type=1031;Stat bmp array
ItemID=0x6100001A
ParentID=0x61000000
Pos=0,1,232,84
Zone= 0 769 232 84 2 1 0x6100000F 0.5 0 0x6100001A -0.5 1 0 -10
Materials=1
Display=2;Linear
Mat 0=data/menu/skins/american/gui/layout/crewleft.dds
Crop 0=0,0.699219,0.90625,0.0820313
MatFlags=0x9
TexFmt=0x0
Drag=false
BmpState=1
NeedFocus=true
SelOne=false
IdGroup=0
StatesColors=0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF, 0xFFFFFFFF
ToolTipText=7635

By adding the Tooltip with the referenced text in the menu.txt file for the added 7635 item, this is what you get.....





The tooltip appears when you mouse over the top left area. Pay no attention to the rest of the screen, I simply just used one of my Optical Targeting Corrections mods to try a couple of things.

It seems by adding the tooltip entry to this item you can have what you're looking for on the Crew Management screen without messing up other screens in the process.

As I said, it looks like your trying some other things. So, here's something else to look at.