Promoting the Culture of Death: Children being taught how to die

[Feuer Frei!]

Well, at least you agree with me on the rest of it then.
You managed to only 'pick me up' on one point.
Being taught Euthenasia, voluntary that is, in schools, because those students have elected to study Philosophy.
The parts that i have a problem with is the supposed work shop of this clown's methods, showcasing the different tools at one's disposal to assist in someone's easing out of this world.
Another issue i have with this video and it's showcasing by the so-called intelligent Teachers is that it gives this guy more air time.
As if we haven't had enough of this person already.

So, if you need to study Philosophy, and Euthanasia, voluntary is a part of that, and you need to explore the necessary conditions for someone to be a candidate for voluntary euthanasia and outline the moral cases put forward by those in favour of legalising voluntary euthanasia, then there are other training materials that can achieve this.
Is it necessary to showcase the tools availabale to students and to showcase the machine at work?
Voluntary Euthanasia is unneccessary.
Nor can we ever have enough evidence for us to be justified in believing that a dying person's request for dying is fully competent, genuinly voluntary and soforth.
If society allows voluntary euthanasia, it is my belief that this will send us towards the allowing of other forms of euthanasia.
Including non-voluntary euthanasia.
The line between those two is clearly defined by principles.
I won't get carried away by my own, strong beliefs about what i think of Nitschke or voluntary euthanasia.
However what i will say is that the title of my thread is a concern to me.
The content of this supposed training video or lecture material is dubious and is a poor choice of material.
Teaching someone how to die is teaching a student/child how to put their own spin on wether it's right or wrong to kill someone or not, well....
As for the site being a loony site, hmm, i may call it alternative, nonetheless, loony?
Nah, far from it.
You call it loony because you don't like it? Or the points raised are not to your liking? Or the ways that they are raised are not to your liking?
It matters not.

Well, at least you agree with me on the rest of it then.

Not at all.

You managed to only 'pick me up' on one point.

Not at all, I only bothered to pick you up on the most obvious one which was bull, which as luck would have it appeared as the one you seemed most upset about.

As for the site being a loony site, hmm, i may call it alternative, nonetheless, loony?
Nah, far from it.

Sorry, if you think a Coventry City FC goalkeeper claiming to be the messiah isn't loony then ....
Hey it even has reptilians, contrails and secret government mind control through the music of the beatles.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

if you think a Coventry City FC goalkeeper claiming to be the messiah isn't loony

Coventry City, there you have it.
Like i said, didn't see that one, nor would i read it, letalone post it as a discussion point.
You'll find a lot of sites that have some amount of garbage on it, hell, even the good ones.
About the agreeing with me and picking me up on only one point, tongue in cheek, i figured you didn't agree with me, or the article.

[Skybird]

Every human being has the natural right to deicde all by itself whether it wants to live on or wants to die. If the latter, society, religions, lawmakers, doctors have no moral or ethical or religious or philosophical or medical right whatever to deny them the realisation of that wish under situational conditions that respect the individual's dignity.

People close to such an individual may wish to make surte that the individual indeed has the wish to die, and that it is not just "appelative suicide" or a decision born from a momentary emotional state of depression. High age, with all the negtraive side-effects that come with that, or constant pains or a serious disease, are situations where no human has the right to hinder suich a patient for example by force to die. I think it is an ethical and moral and humane imperative that we also help a "candidate" to end his life in a a way that is painless, nonviolent and appeals to basic demands of human dignity.

Just walk the geriatric station of a hospital, especially a mental asylum, and you can easily see how worse the price for "life at all cost" can become.

Everybody tempted to do it now, save ypour time to throw Nazi stuff and claims of my eunasthasia program at me. That'S not what I said, and the above described is not what the term eunasthasia means. Also, keep relgious commands out of this. Your religious confessions are YOUR personal business only, not that of the other. You have no right to impose your views upon him, at his cost and to add to his suffering. You are free to not like what he wants and does. Maybe you also do not like green tea. Don'T drink it then, drink somethign else, stay away from green tea then.

I personally kn ow that under certain cinditions I have accepted suicide for myself as an option I consider in such circumstances. I also always carry a paper in my wallet that explains under which circumstances and in case I am unable to articulate myself anymore, I do not wish a continuation of any medical treatement, but want them to let me die.

The only thing that can be demanded about all this, is this simple call: do not take it lightly. Neither the making of the decision for suicide yourself, nor your easiness by which you maybe are tempted to criticise the other who defends suicide as an option while you are against it for principal or religious reasons.

People do not ask you whether or not they may get born. They also must not ask you for permission to die. In the end, we all are just guests, and our stay is limited. Some arrive, some leave, all day long. That'S how it goes.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Everybody tempted to do it now, save ypour time to throw Nazi stuff and claims of my eunasthasia program at me. That'S not what I said, and the above described is not what the term eunasthasia means. Also, keep relgious commands out of this. Your religious confessions are YOUR personal business only, not that of the other. You have no right to impose your views upon him, at his cost and to add to his suffering. You are free to not like what he wants and does. Maybe you also do not like green tea. Don'T drink it then, drink somethign else, stay away from green tea then.

Who is this directed at Sky?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Who is this directed at Sky?

Religous zealots who argue "My religion demands, and so you must obey", and everybody who when reading my post thought he must answer by calling me a Nazi who promotes evil wicked Nazi ways and eunasthasia.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Religous zealots who argue "My religion demands, and so you must obey", and everybody who when reading my post thought he must answer by calling me a Nazi who promotes evil wicked Nazi ways and eunasthasia.

Ah ok, understand.
Wasn't sure if you were referring to me.

About the agreeing with me and picking me up on only one point, tongue in cheek, i figured you didn't agree with me, or the article.

What was there to possibly agree with? the article is pure bull and your position is based on plain misrepresentation.

Everybody tempted to do it now, save ypour time to throw Nazi stuff and claims of my eunasthasia program at me.

Hey I only throw the nazi stuff at Sky when he is repeating chapter and verse of the hate filled 1930s propoganda