Bin Laden is dead, official

Jimbuna · 05-02-11, 01:48 PM

Possibly a 'dirty' bomb in a prominent city.

AVGWarhawk · 05-02-11, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Possibly a 'dirty' bomb in a prominent city.

I would go with this line of thought as well. Given to what was done in the past....

Jimbuna · 05-02-11, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I would go with this line of thought as well. Given to what was done in the past....

Something small and quite easily concealed but detonated in a crowded/confined area for maximum effect....the bastids!!

Stealhead · 05-02-11, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come...

So true few months back I was waiting for my connection at the airport and got into a conversation with a few Army soldiers who where headed home on their R&R from Afghanistan(and they had on fairly faded BDUs) a few of the older soldiers had been stationed in the KMC(German region) in the same time period that I was and we where talking about the bars that we used to visit and about Kosovo which was going on at that time as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some man who said he was from Peru clearly some sort of ultra liberal professor comes over and starts telling us how immoral we where for being a willing part of "The War on Terror" one of the soldiers kindly reminded this Peruvian that under the UCMJ one must follow all lawful orders and no such unlawful orders have ever been given.

The Peruvian professor then warns us that one day the "World Court" will try the US government and all of us accountable.Well he must have been a pretty good reader of body language because after looking at all our faces he got up and left very quickly.What a fool.

05-02-11, 02:38 PM

Does anybody honestly believe that if islamist terrorists had the capability to detonate a nuke in the West, they would be saving it for OBL's death?

I suppose some might see it as necessary to create a new boogie man but killing bin Laden, as satisfactory and righteous as it might have been will have zero impact on global terror. Any near-term nuking is unlikey to be related to the subject of today's headlines.

Terrorists; political, religious or just plain whacko have been out there for centuries and the only successful solutions have been to render them irrelevant. Kill enough of them (even using extra-legal means) and they might eventually decide the cost is not worth their goals and remove the social and economic support that sustains them.

Every successful terror attack has stemmed from a failure of intelligence but so far it seems that this success was due to solid intelligence, patiance and a selected and precise application of firepower. You cannot beat terrorism with Mk82 laser guided bombs but a 5.56mm steel-jacketed bullet to the brain administered at close range in the dead of night can work wonders.

That works until the next fanatical ideology comes along, then you must count your losses and repeat as required.

Stealhead · 05-02-11, 02:44 PM

If that is the case then it is better to use that 5.56mm and JDAM than to just allow them to do what they want 100% freely and unchallenged where they can hurt you even worse that is like saying there will always be crime so may as well just get rid of laws and police.

Sorry you post seems to sort of contradict itself.

05-02-11, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

If that is the case then it is better to use that 5.56mm and JDAM than to just allow them to do what they want 100% freely and unchallenged where they can hurt you even worse that is like saying there will always be crime so may as well just get rid of laws and police.

Sorry you post seems to sort of contradict itself.

No contradiction at all, I'm a fan of the state using extra-legal means to delete the terrorist leadership even if it means crossing international boundries to do so.

The problem with JDAM's and the like is that high explosives when used in quantity can have unfortunate side effects. These are usually political or moral but they can impede the main effort particularly when a (relatively) free press can trumpet for the other side.

There are no military solutions to international terrorism and limited scope for large scale military action in even regional insurrectionist situations.

Terrorists are essentially criminals regardless of their aims and goals. A blend of police style detective investigative procedures coupled with directed firepower delivered up close and personal by highly trained and motivated professionals will win out in the long run over the dedicated fanatic.

Every time a JDAM kills or injures a bystander it provides a poster child for terrorist recruiters. On the other hand, when the terrorist leadership starts to vanish, seemingly off the face of the earth or turn up some morning with a 9mm double-tap to the skull, without fanfare or show trials, over time followers might start to become difficult to find.

Armistead · 05-02-11, 03:22 PM

I see the Pakistani government has come out with complaints against us., and we increased our budget to them by 3 billion dollars.. Probably what paid for Osama's mansion

Stealhead · 05-02-11, 03:26 PM

I dont agree with that the from of weapon ones uses varies on the situation at hand.If you are trying to destroy a large number of Taliban in an area then the JDAM is highly effective and in most cases the civilians are not anywhere near the target.

Other times the bullet to the head is best just depends on the given situation.And you can run a counterinsurgency with military and political means they are both useful if done right.

I recommend you read the book "The Accidental Guerrilla" this book is a case study on how one can use counterinsurgency effectively using multiple facets to counter AQ and jihadists.

tater · 05-02-11, 04:47 PM

The courier made a cell call and they found him.

They knew his name because a certain Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told us.

August · 05-02-11, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

The courier made a cell call and they found him.

They knew his name because a certain Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told us.

Which means, dare I say it, Gitmo produced results.

Rockstar · 05-02-11, 04:58 PM

I wonder if operations in Libya will suddenly cease and desist.

les green01 · 05-06-11, 10:32 AM

i can said wtfg and a bullit saves us money on a trial,and someone knew he was there in the pak gov and we keep giving them aid and basic they been double dealing that is bull---- pure and simple

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05-02-11, 02:33 PM	#4
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come... So true few months back I was waiting for my connection at the airport and got into a conversation with a few Army soldiers who where headed home on their R&R from Afghanistan(and they had on fairly faded BDUs) a few of the older soldiers had been stationed in the KMC(German region) in the same time period that I was and we where talking about the bars that we used to visit and about Kosovo which was going on at that time as well as Iraq and Afghanistan. Some man who said he was from Peru clearly some sort of ultra liberal professor comes over and starts telling us how immoral we where for being a willing part of "The War on Terror" one of the soldiers kindly reminded this Peruvian that under the UCMJ one must follow all lawful orders and no such unlawful orders have ever been given. The Peruvian professor then warns us that one day the "World Court" will try the US government and all of us accountable.Well he must have been a pretty good reader of body language because after looking at all our faces he got up and left very quickly.What a fool.

05-02-11, 02:38 PM	#5
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Does anybody honestly believe that if islamist terrorists had the capability to detonate a nuke in the West, they would be saving it for OBL's death? I suppose some might see it as necessary to create a new boogie man but killing bin Laden, as satisfactory and righteous as it might have been will have zero impact on global terror. Any near-term nuking is unlikey to be related to the subject of today's headlines. Terrorists; political, religious or just plain whacko have been out there for centuries and the only successful solutions have been to render them irrelevant. Kill enough of them (even using extra-legal means) and they might eventually decide the cost is not worth their goals and remove the social and economic support that sustains them. Every successful terror attack has stemmed from a failure of intelligence but so far it seems that this success was due to solid intelligence, patiance and a selected and precise application of firepower. You cannot beat terrorism with Mk82 laser guided bombs but a 5.56mm steel-jacketed bullet to the brain administered at close range in the dead of night can work wonders. That works until the next fanatical ideology comes along, then you must count your losses and repeat as required.

05-02-11, 02:44 PM	#6
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	If that is the case then it is better to use that 5.56mm and JDAM than to just allow them to do what they want 100% freely and unchallenged where they can hurt you even worse that is like saying there will always be crime so may as well just get rid of laws and police. Sorry you post seems to sort of contradict itself.

05-02-11, 03:22 PM	#8
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I see the Pakistani government has come out with complaints against us., and we increased our budget to them by 3 billion dollars.. Probably what paid for Osama's mansion

05-02-11, 03:26 PM	#9
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I dont agree with that the from of weapon ones uses varies on the situation at hand.If you are trying to destroy a large number of Taliban in an area then the JDAM is highly effective and in most cases the civilians are not anywhere near the target. Other times the bullet to the head is best just depends on the given situation.And you can run a counterinsurgency with military and political means they are both useful if done right. I recommend you read the book "The Accidental Guerrilla" this book is a case study on how one can use counterinsurgency effectively using multiple facets to counter AQ and jihadists.

05-02-11, 04:58 PM	#12
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I wonder if operations in Libya will suddenly cease and desist.