The MaGui mod - Final version

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Magic1111

Yes, sorry, now I remember ! IIRC you told me long time ago that all slide-out commands are occupied and therefore it can´t be done, right ?

Best regards,
Magic

hi Magic,
ermm.......something like that (but not the slide-outs....)

[Tweety]

Thank you Makman 94.

I looked up that song on youtube and it was in the movie Black Hawk Down, that is why I recognized the song.

Thanks for the name, it is added to my collection.

Tweety

[harryt8]

Originally Posted by Chubster

Did this manual ever make the light of day ? If so is it included in MaGui Final download


I am currently using 4.3 with widescreen on top but assume it will still apply. Would be nice to have one handy manual so I cant print it out and read

EDIT: ..The tutorials vids look excellent but without sound you are just teasing me

I also wondered about this, but heard no more from SabreTwo.
I assume he's on Long Service Leave.
The mod does need a manual. Currently there are bits and pieces of information everywhere and it needs to be consolidated. SabreTwo was keen to do this.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by harryt8

I also wondered about this, but heard no more from SabreTwo.
I assume he's on Long Service Leave.
The mod does need a manual. Currently there are bits and pieces of information everywhere and it needs to be consolidated. SabreTwo was keen to do this.

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i am joking Harryt8 !

Seriously...i have replied 100 times to questions like this ( even 3-4 posts above this one...you will see one more) . what exactly is this that you feel that is missing from documents ?

[Magic1111]

Originally Posted by makman94

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[harryt8]

Oh, how very droll Makman.

However if you read some of the previous posts, I am not the only person who has made this request for consolidated and concise information on what, to a simple sailor and occasional player like me, is a somewhat complex manual targeting procedure.
You will find Salvadoreno, Chubster and Sabretwo all have asked the same question.
You have created a superb mod and are no doubt an expert on the matter of manual targetting via MaGui and of trigonometry. However, neither am I the "village idiot", and I make no apologies for having to use a "cheat sheet" on occasions to assist me remember procedures.

I previously used OLC Gold and a Quick Reference Guide was provided that was simply explained and I achieved a good success rate of hits on targets.
I have tried to do the same for MaGui.
I have collected your various texts, read me's, graphics and instructions on the MaGui mod. I grammatically amend your texts into a readable "cheat sheet", and have what I thought was a firing solution, but clearly I am repeatedly doing something wrong, or your instructions need review.

If I take your "The Straight Shots" documentation (31/10/2010) as an example, and follow Steps 1, 2 and 3, for a 44 Knot torpedo at target whose speed is 5 knots going from Port to Starboard, the 5.3 degrees solution as you suggest doesn't work and I miss. If I use another document (author unknown) called "Using the Torpedo Bearing Table", the solution is 354 degrees, and I hit the target.

If I commence to do Manual Targetting via Speed, Range and AOB via the drop-down rings, the procedures get more complicated. I am not saying this is wrong, I (and some others) are only looking for simple, comprehensive, reliable information in one document.

Sabretwo had considered undertaking this, but this presumably has not occurred. If you read his posts, he clearly had the same problem as I.

Perhaps you may care to understand that what may appear simple and straightforward to you, may not be so easily understandable to others.

I'll be pleased to receive your further advice.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by harryt8

Oh, how very droll Makman.

However if you read some of the previous posts, I am not the only person who has made this request for consolidated and concise information on what, to a simple sailor and occasional player like me, is a somewhat complex manual targeting procedure.
You will find Salvadoreno, Chubster and Sabretwo all have asked the same question.
You have created a superb mod and are no doubt an expert on the matter of manual targetting via MaGui and of trigonometry.

hi Harryt8,

you took too seriously (and personally) my joke although i told you that i was joking ! anyway, i think that you didn't read my reply AFTER the joke ....i was asking you what exactly is this that you feel that is missing from documents

Originally Posted by harryt8

However, neither am I the "village idiot", and I make no apologies for having to use a "cheat sheet" on occasions to assist me remember procedures.

NEVER said (or thought) anything like that for you Harryt8.you see, i am a teacher (my job is this) and i know very well that... time is ALWAYS needed for students to get the new data.it is the way our brain is builted ...it needs its time and....the proper QUANTITY of data (if we 'bomb' someone with data in short time...will learn ....nothing at the end).
BUT there is BIG difference between :
a) having a SPECIFIC question on a specific part of gui (there will be always an answer for this.there was NEVER a question that i didn't replied...this can be confirmed by everyone who ever sent a pm to me)
or
b) asking me to write a whole manual for everything you see in gui ! (in this case....the point is that i don't see anything to be missing from MaGui's documents)

Originally Posted by harryt8

I previously used OLC Gold and a Quick Reference Guide was provided that was simply explained and I achieved a good success rate of hits on targets.
I have tried to do the same for MaGui.
I have collected your various texts, read me's, graphics and instructions on the MaGui mod. I grammatically amend your texts into a readable "cheat sheet", and have what I thought was a firing solution, but clearly I am repeatedly doing something wrong, or your instructions need review.

yes...clearly you are doing something wrong BUT you are not 'helping' me with info in order to tell you what exactly you are doing wrong (as for example to make a series of pics showing the procedure you follow...)

Originally Posted by harryt8

If I take your "The Straight Shots" documentation (31/10/2010) as an example, and follow Steps 1, 2 and 3, for a 44 Knot torpedo at target whose speed is 5 knots going from Port to Starboard, the 5.3 degrees solution as you suggest doesn't work and I miss. If I use another document (author unknown) called "Using the Torpedo Bearing Table", the solution is 354 degrees, and I hit the target.

oh...now you are getting a little 'specific' !
the tables are showing the angle itself . if you read at table 5,3 degrees ..this means that the shooting bearing is either 5,3 degrees (if target is moving from Starboard to Port) or 360-5,3=354,7 (if target is moving from Port to Starboard )
warning1: pay attention to follow EXACTLY the steps at straight shots(gyro to zero ,tdc always to manual mode....etc...etc)
warning2: i don't believe that there is any document (other than mine) that can explain MaGui's tables. i am using angle lb at my calculations that i don't believe that were used by germans so i suggest you to read ONLY the straight shots tutorial that is in MaGui's documents

Originally Posted by harryt8

If I commence to do Manual Targetting via Speed, Range and AOB via the drop-down rings, the procedures get more complicated. I am not saying this is wrong, I (and some others) are only looking for simple, comprehensive, reliable information in one document.

ok,ok...i will post later this evening a tutorial for MaGui's rings as many have requested (although you will see that there will be nothing 'new' in the procedure for using rings)

Originally Posted by harryt8

Perhaps you may care to understand that what may appear simple and straightforward to you, may not be so easily understandable to others.

as i told you...NEVER think something like that ! point is that its all there...specific questions can ALWAYS be answered !

[makman94]

here is the tutorial for the RAOBF rings in MaGui F , Harryt8

the real range to target is 2206 m and the real AoB is 56 degrees

now, there are two ways to get range in MaGui F:

first way (via stadimeter):




second way (via RAOBF rings):






now, for getting the AoB :

[Wolfstriked]

Makman,I do not have the redline showing where to measure with stadi.I use Magui F and have found and downloaded the fix for the bright ship pages at lsh3 official mods.Now the manual looks good but is lacking the redline showing where to take reading from.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

Makman,I do not have the redline showing where to measure with stadi.I use Magui F and have found and downloaded the fix for the bright ship pages at lsh3 official mods.Now the manual looks good but is lacking the redline showing where to take reading from.

yes Wolfstriked,

you don't see these 'red lines' becuase that is the 'TMT mod'

read here to understand what TMT is : [REL] TMT v2 (Tribute to Manual Targeting-version 2)

BUT TMT has versionS ONLY for GWX and ONLY for NYGM

ps: to answer your next question (before you ask it) ....no there will be no other version for TMT . i am done with it

bye

[Wolfstriked]

Originally Posted by makman94

yes Wolfstriked,

you don't see these 'red lines' becuase that is the 'TMT mod'

read here to understand what TMT is : [REL] TMT v2 (Tribute to Manual Targeting-version 2)

BUT TMT has versionS ONLY for GWX and ONLY for NYGM

ps: to answer your next question (before you ask it) ....no there will be no other version for TMT . i am done with it

bye

GWX mod it is then.I downloaded the TMT in past but I got some weird bugs with GWX that I now think are in fact not bugs so I will try again.

[harryt8]

Makman,

Thank you for this further information and the time taken in constructing a fully detailed reply.
I will read and study this, as I have a desire to get this whole procedure correct as your excellent mod makes the task worthwhile.

Something I notice however: you quote " if you read at table 5,3 degrees ..this means that the shooting bearing is either 5,3 degrees (if target is moving from Starboard to Port) or 360-5,3=354,7 (if target is moving from Port to Starboard )"

I have somehow missed the " 360-5,3=354,7 (if target is moving from Port to Starboard )" in your documentation. Your detail now provides a working solution.

I'll report back on success or otherwise in a few days.

Once again, thank you for your prompt reply.

[fitzcarraldo]

Dear Makman:

I have an installation of WAC 4.1. The default WAC attack periscope is not the classic circular ocular. The image is square, resembling the upper lens of the periscope. The observation periscope is the classic circular ocular.

I have many books about technology and history of U Boats, and I never see an attack periscope with that ocular view.

Do you know if that square periscope view is realistic? I think in U-BOOT-HAHD attack periscope, and in a version of MaGUI with that square periscope.

Many thanks and best regards.

Fitzcarraldo

[Wolfstriked]

Still "learning" Uboat procedures.What is the green TDC on and off button for???

Fitz,I also feel that there should be differences in use of the two scopes.If the view thru the attack looked square then I am for it though from pics I have seen of real attacks thru scope I have never seen one look square.

What do you think about having the observation scope 1.5 times larger than attack and the attack scope being much darker so that night use is affected.The observation scope was nicked the night scope due to its larger head allowing more light in....the attack head was skinnier so that daytime attacks were less noticeable.

[fitzcarraldo]

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

Still "learning" Uboat procedures.What is the green TDC on and off button for???

Fitz,I also feel that there should be differences in use of the two scopes.If the view thru the attack looked square then I am for it though from pics I have seen of real attacks thru scope I have never seen one look square.

What do you think about having the observation scope 1.5 times larger than attack and the attack scope being much darker so that night use is affected.The observation scope was nicked the night scope due to its larger head allowing more light in....the attack head was skinnier so that daytime attacks were less noticeable.

This the graphic for the square attack scope in WAC 4.1:



..and in game:




Realistic? I never see an attack scope of U boat in photos, the circular scope seems the real observation scope...In fact, all the propaganda photos are taken in the observation peri, it looks more "Hollywood" than the elaborated, with seat, attack peri in the conning tower.

We need an expert historian for this problem...

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo