A new urban flight causing problems in Detroit.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Speaking of that, it would be interesting to see what would happen to the West Coast, if the Tech industry tanked.

they still have the porn industry... ten thousand years from now that will still be booming

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

they still have the porn industry... ten thousand years from now that will still be booming

I think Internet porn pretty much dies with Internet anonymity.

@AVG

I'm not sure what kind of family you have but having to 'dump my kids' for a day or so with a family member is never a problem.

To use an example given here example it isn't a day or two, you said about driving for two days to get to an interview, so that means really a five day round trip. Then moving 1200 miles away for a fresh start in new accomodation waiting for a new paycheck when they didn't even have enough money for a motel room on the journey.
Reality check?
Nice idea, now when they need their friends and family again they are all 1200 miles away.
Unless of course you abandon your kids to someone elses care long term.

My family moved 8 times since I was born.

And?

BTW AVG, you miss the biggest problem with this situation in todays world.
credit history. Before I rent I want a bloody good credit history from them, I ain't gonna take someone who has just been forclosed for not paying their debt or as in some examples mentioned evicted for not paying rent and dragging out the eviction process.


@Tater

Are you aware of what % of inner city children in the US are born out of wedlock?

What has that got to do with the price of cheese?
Oh yeah....."So I'm not talking about people who have their situation change"
So given the actual topic..... Are you aware of what percentage of marriages in the US end in divorce?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

@AVG


To use an example given here example it isn't a day or two, you said about driving for two days to get to an interview, so that means really a five day round trip. Then moving 1200 miles away for a fresh start in new accomodation waiting for a new paycheck when they didn't even have enough money for a motel room on the journey.
Reality check?
Nice idea, now when they need their friends and family again they are all 1200 miles away.
Unless of course you abandon your kids to someone elses care long term.


And?

BTW AVG, you miss the biggest problem with this situation in todays world.
credit history. Before I rent I want a bloody good credit history from them, I ain't gonna take someone who has just been forclosed for not paying their debt or as in some examples mentioned evicted for not paying rent and dragging out the eviction process.


@Tater

What has that got to do with the price of cheese?
Oh yeah....."So I'm not talking about people who have their situation change"
So given the actual topic..... Are you aware of what percentage of marriages in the US end in divorce?

Abandon kids? Who said anything about abandoning kids? Call it what you like, a family or friend watching your kids is not abandoning them. Long term. Is say 10 days long term? Let's not embellish. I put up my brother-in-law and sister-in-law plus their German shepard for 5 weeks while they settled on a house. This is what families do. I would look after their kids as well if there was a job interview. If you think a family member would not help out then I do not know what to say about your family and experience with them. My family would help in heartbeat. Furthermore, does this individual not recieve unemployment benefits to help with say a place to stay until his first paycheck is received?

You are preaching to the choir on credit situation. I have been their and done that. I dug out of the hole. Losing a job with wife, kids and house to look after. Been there and done that not once but twice. Furthermore, the folks getting foreclosed on...the credit check for a rental...check it man...I have friends that have the worst credit report anyone has seen finding places to rent. I have family members who just got a rental house (second rental) and these clowns were foreclosed on 2 years ago. Their eviction process was over 2 years on the mortgage they let go!!! Not one red cent was paid to the mortgage in 2 years! So the credit check issue is a bump in the road. Nothing more. Rental properties can be had, good, bad or no credit. I was born at night but is was not last night. I did not miss anything concerning credit.

If you think a family member would not help out then I do not know what to say about your family and experience with them.

Its real world time AVG.
So I am off to Italy for a new job, one brother is in NY, another is in Adelaide , while a third is In Utrecht and a fourth in London, which one do the kids go to?
The old fella of course....ooops Cardiff. in laws ...Yeovil. aunts uncles ......all over the world.
Hey I got an aunt up the road...bugger she is already minding a dozen kids. Wow I got a cousin in town, damn shes off to London next week.

Yes any of them would help out, but this is the real world.
Luckily I spent my life moving and moving and moving for work just like near enough everyone else of my generation and the generations before and now I don't have to.
I know my kids are going to have to move hundreds or thousands of miles away to find decent work.
But this issue is about the intermediate generation who are stuck in a position where they cannot move.
Then again America is different, over there you can rip people off for a fortune and start afresh twelve months later.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its real world time AVG.
So I am off to Italy for a new job, one brother is in NY, another is in Adelaide , while a third is In Utrecht and a fourth in London, which one do the kids go to?
The old fella of course....ooops Cardiff. in laws ...Yeovil. aunts uncles ......all over the world.
Hey I got an aunt up the road...bugger she is already minding a dozen kids. Wow I got a cousin in town, damn shes off to London next week.

Yes any of them would help out, but this is the real world.
Luckily I spent my life moving and moving and moving for work just like near enough everyone else of my generation and the generations before and now I don't have to.
I know my kids are going to have to move hundreds or thousands of miles away to find decent work.
But this issue is about the intermediate generation who are stuck in a position where they cannot move.
Then again America is different, over there you can rip people off for a fortune and start afresh twelve months later.

If that is your real world I suggest a new world for you. Sorry, I do not know anyone in this 'real world' situation you describe. It looks like a defeatist attitude to me. You look at worst case senario. I look at best case. Some just refuse to look.

Then again America is different, over there you can rip people off for a fortune and start afresh twelve months later.

Yea...ask Bernie Madoff.

[GoldenRivet]

AVG you're right. All some people know is defeat and how to quit.

Those are the types that lose their jobs and jus say "oh well" and sit around waiting for the unemployment check. (which is another thing these jolly jokers aren't considering... That the guy might just have some unemployment money)

Another thing, does nobody have a rainy day fund anymore? Have parents completely stopped teaching work ethic and financial responsibility.

Theoretically, the type of man who wants for himself and his family enough is the type to have a coffee can rainy day fund.

Theoretically -if he just lost his job he has enough credit to pay for the transmission he hypothetically needs.

We could spend all week adding hypotheticals to this little scenario but it won't change the fact that if I lost my job tomorrow and didn't have new work inside of 5 days... I'm researching the job market in another city, loading up the truck, taking my rainy day fund and going to get that job.

Anyone wanting to work and take care of their family can find a way. Those who don't want to... Will piss and moan about the impossibility of it all and turn their backs on all responsibility.

On my first big job interview, I slept in an airport terminal and took a spit bath in a public restroom.
There are those who can do such things... And those who - I guess - feel that society owes them a job, or perhaps the feel above something like sleeping in a car or a 5am spit bath. Who knows why some people just give up like that?

Beats me.

Those who want it bad enough, find a way.

One of the most successful restaurant owners in my town started out homeless in NYC. I refuse to believe success cannot be achieved by ones own initiative.

If that is your real world I suggest a new world for you.

Why? I traveled widely chasing the best money and now I can sit back and relax.
But thats just me, I am lucky, other people have mortages on increrasingly devalued houses and lack the flexibility or reserves to just get up and pack off elsewhere.

Sorry, I do not know anyone in this 'real world' situation you describe.

Maybe you should get out and about more.

It looks like a defeatist attitude to me.

Far from it.

You look at worst case senario. I look at best case. Some just refuse to look.

Isn't it funny how much your "best case" has echoes the very complaints of the "bad case" made in the opening piece.
Its sorta reminiscent to put it back in great depression days of the locals attacking people who had migrated to better areas looking for work and burning people out who were sleeping rough just while they looked for employment.
You seem to be sugar coating reality AVG to make it more palatable

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

What has that got to do with the price of cheese?
Oh yeah....."So I'm not talking about people who have their situation change"
So given the actual topic..... Are you aware of what percentage of marriages in the US end in divorce?

It has a lot to do with the entire discussion since we went on a (typical) tangent. The bulk of "urban" family units have no father around. The US divorce rate is between 40-50% over a marriage. That says nothing about the number of kids who live in divorced households, as a reasonable % of these divorces happen before kids, or after kids have left the home. Even so, divorced fathers usually maintain connection and financial interest in their children. Women that have litters of kids without ever bothering to get married in the first place are an entirely different problem. Their economic stats are far worse than those of divorced women (the usual primary caregivers).

Fatherlessness (kids born when the mother has never been married to the father) is a huge problem in the black community. Some honest black leaders point this out themselves (on both sides of the political system).

This was about the tangential problem introduced regarding the guy seeking employment far from where he lived by driving 1200 miles.

On topic, it's a little less likely to apply since they are buying houses, which, assuming they can no longer get NINJa loans (No Income, No Job) means they are very likely families so this doesn't apply except in the broad cultural sense since any honest to goodness black families are somewhat rare overall, and exceedingly rare coming from an inner city. This means the kids might have a good family, but their friends back in the 'hood were overwhelmingly likely to not have a relationship with their dads (except maybe knowing he was that 'playa down the block).