Public Insensitivity? Or is Enough Enough?

Platapus · 02-21-11, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I agree with Platapus here on all points.

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Takeda Shingen · 02-21-11, 05:03 PM

I agree with both Plat and GR. They do have the right to ask for money. You also have the right to retain your money. Those would be the rules.

Armistead · 02-22-11, 02:23 PM

My wife is a part time social worker at a state hospital, so she tells me some heartbreaking stories. The constant theme she hears is.."I never thought this could happen to me or my family."

If you have a job, medical insurance, home, family support...most view homelessness as "enough is enough."
If you lose your job, get seriously ill forcing you into poverty and no support..."public insensitivity."

The problem will always be two fold. You have many that have no choice but to be homeless and others that prefer it and do it for a living. For those that need help, they find it hard to get it due to all the red tape.

Homelessness has tripled in the last 10 years.

There is a big city lake behind my house surrounded by several thousand acres. In the last few years homeless people have built small tent cities around the lake, use the shelters for water, etc...The police run them out, but they come back. I would say 80% are the former white middle class, homes foreclosed, no jobs. I was shocked to find a disabled man that once lived in my neighborhood living back there. He had no disability plan and was waiting for SS approval, no income, no family. He stayed in his home until the sheriff removed him and just moved into the woods behind his home. I helped get him on medicare and he was in line waiting for S8 housing.

Many of the homeless are those ill, can't get proper meds or treatment.
Many think sick can go get free treatment and help from state hospitals or clinics, that's seldom the case unless a life threatening emergency. The red tape is as long as the wait. All levels of government are cutting programs that help the homeless.

Right now they say 72% of foreclosures are due to unemployment, people that once worked can't find work, more effected are the skilled trades. Millions more to come this year. If these people still can't find jobs, they can't even pay rent....sadly a number of them will end up homeless.

Sailor Steve · 02-23-11, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Many think sick can go get free treatment and help from state hospitals or clinics, that's seldom the case unless a life threatening emergency. The red tape is as long as the wait. All levels of government are cutting programs that help the homeless.

And here in Salt Lake we have a free clinic that runs on donations. You can get practically any kind of care you can think of there, and they have connections to local hospitals. The Homeless Shelters are also run strictly by donations - no state help at all.

Here at the VA Housing I'm in we partly pay our way by helping recycle medical supplies for that very clinic and others around the world.

Castout · 02-23-11, 02:30 AM

One thing that many people tend to neglect when they pass judgment on these poor fellows is that nobody planned to be a beggar or a destitute on the street. Either by misfortune or string of them or their own fault nobody wants in that kind of position.

What many people here like to do is giving these people just a little or ridiculously little money then pass judgment on them afterward on their back. In a way they paid their cents to pass judgment on them

. What kind of judge would judge the misfortune of other people without full information of the man? And just who appoints them anyway? They do not exactly force anyone to give them alms. I find it revolting. It's like saying if you have HIV you must be sinful!

But I do know the reason why these people often pass judgment on them. These poor fellows made them to feel uneasy about themselves. If they didn't give these people anything they would be made to feel bad about themselves yet they actually do not wish to give them anything. So they take the middle road by giving them change which will not cost them anything and then pass judgment on them for making them feel uneasy. Welcome to the hypocrisy of the world of man. Probably one of the biggest reason why most never come to know God whom they claimed to worship. But the surprise is not that, the surprise is that they who are doing this do not realize why they are doing just that!!!! The mind makes it so that they won't feel guilty.

Nicolas · 02-23-11, 02:49 AM

I say let them be, others attitude is not your problem. True compassion will never feel bad i think.

Castout · 02-23-11, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas

I say let them be, others attitude is not your problem.

I never said it was my problem but it's definitely their problem.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas

True compassion will never feel bad i think.

Indeed I agree to that.

02-23-11, 02:30 AM	#5
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	One thing that many people tend to neglect when they pass judgment on these poor fellows is that nobody planned to be a beggar or a destitute on the street. Either by misfortune or string of them or their own fault nobody wants in that kind of position. What many people here like to do is giving these people just a little or ridiculously little money then pass judgment on them afterward on their back. In a way they paid their cents to pass judgment on them . What kind of judge would judge the misfortune of other people without full information of the man? And just who appoints them anyway? They do not exactly force anyone to give them alms. I find it revolting. It's like saying if you have HIV you must be sinful! But I do know the reason why these people often pass judgment on them. These poor fellows made them to feel uneasy about themselves. If they didn't give these people anything they would be made to feel bad about themselves yet they actually do not wish to give them anything. So they take the middle road by giving them change which will not cost them anything and then pass judgment on them for making them feel uneasy. Welcome to the hypocrisy of the world of man. Probably one of the biggest reason why most never come to know God whom they claimed to worship. But the surprise is not that, the surprise is that they who are doing this do not realize why they are doing just that!!!! The mind makes it so that they won't feel guilty. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/ Last edited by Castout; 02-23-11 at 02:44 AM.

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02-21-11, 05:03 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I agree with both Plat and GR. They do have the right to ask for money. You also have the right to retain your money. Those would be the rules.

02-22-11, 02:23 PM	#3
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	My wife is a part time social worker at a state hospital, so she tells me some heartbreaking stories. The constant theme she hears is.."I never thought this could happen to me or my family." If you have a job, medical insurance, home, family support...most view homelessness as "enough is enough." If you lose your job, get seriously ill forcing you into poverty and no support..."public insensitivity." The problem will always be two fold. You have many that have no choice but to be homeless and others that prefer it and do it for a living. For those that need help, they find it hard to get it due to all the red tape. Homelessness has tripled in the last 10 years. There is a big city lake behind my house surrounded by several thousand acres. In the last few years homeless people have built small tent cities around the lake, use the shelters for water, etc...The police run them out, but they come back. I would say 80% are the former white middle class, homes foreclosed, no jobs. I was shocked to find a disabled man that once lived in my neighborhood living back there. He had no disability plan and was waiting for SS approval, no income, no family. He stayed in his home until the sheriff removed him and just moved into the woods behind his home. I helped get him on medicare and he was in line waiting for S8 housing. Many of the homeless are those ill, can't get proper meds or treatment. Many think sick can go get free treatment and help from state hospitals or clinics, that's seldom the case unless a life threatening emergency. The red tape is as long as the wait. All levels of government are cutting programs that help the homeless. Right now they say 72% of foreclosures are due to unemployment, people that once worked can't find work, more effected are the skilled trades. Millions more to come this year. If these people still can't find jobs, they can't even pay rent....sadly a number of them will end up homeless.

02-23-11, 02:49 AM	#6
Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	I say let them be, others attitude is not your problem. True compassion will never feel bad i think.