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Bottom line....since you could not offer a legitimate rebuttle, you decided to attack me personally.Again, this does not shock me or bother me really, just amuses me in addition to letting me know you had no response.Again, typical lefty behavior. ![]() Once again, the point of my original post was the left are exploiting this tragedy for political gain, it is disgusting |
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...and you call me a lefty. I now have my answer. I'll drop this whole thing, but I'll leave you with this - don't you find it troubling that some of the most level headed and well respected folks around here have chided you?
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I am capable of seeing things outside the us vs them thing.However, we are talking politics, groups of people who share basic core values vs others who share different values.The call for bipartisanship is crap because it essentially means "sacrifice your values" to make you enemy happy, sorry but that is what has lead us to this situation our nation is in.I noticed that you usually seem to take left leaning positions, so yes called you a lefty. No, I do not find it troubling that certain people on here have chided me.While I respect them and usually get along with them on here, does not make me wrong and them right.There has been countless times in history where the majority or certain well respected blah blah were seen as being right and later it turned out the other guy was right and they were wrong.This occurs on the grand stage of history as well as in everyday situations.I can think of several occasions in my life when everyone said I was wrong etc etc and later on I was proven to have been correct.I believe in standing up for what I know is right even when everyone is telling me I am wrong.A large part of the problem in our society is people do not stand up for what they believe in, they go along to get along.Now if there is evidence or logic etc to convince me I am not above changing my view on something. Seems the big issue was they felt I was playing politics and honestly I was NOT.I was making a statement about how the political left in this country started exploiting the tragedy for political gain and I also said the right would most likely do the same if the situation were reversed.I also posted my educated opinion(I've studied the political left in this nation quite a bit, know they enemy sort of thing lol) on what they will try to gain out of this as far as gun control and limiting speech goes.They took offense to this and well that is not my problem.This is a discussion forum after all.I was not playing politics though, just discussing the possible ramifications of this tragedy and certain members did not care for that. |
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Beyond the progressive in chief's words how often have you seen the term 'teabagger' used on subsim by progressive members? If it wasn't used to inflame, why was it used? To degregate, embarass, show contempt, etc. Perhaps to show violent intent.
Lets not forget the word...'neocon'... The socalled neocons were once liberal thinkers who realized their political thoughts were flawed and defected to the Republican party. The dislike of this defection has often been aired on this board. |
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And given as much as you use the word "left", "leftist" or "Progressive" as a pejorative, I'd say you have no room to criticize anyone on this.
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Those labels are completely neutral as violent terms, and you know it. You may even ascribe yourself to them. I use them as a non-violent description. The use of teabagger and neocon is used as an attack of those whom you disagree..
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Calling something "neocon" is just as neutral (or not) as calling something "Progressive". Both can be used neutrally, both can be spat through clenched teeth as an insult. You can't say that one is always used neutrally while the other never is.
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Actually in this thread we were talking about a tragedy. You chose to bring politics into it, along with several others. You say you are capable of seeing things outside of "us vs them", but every post you ever make on any thread in GT is first and formost a political attack. Your actual words put the lie to your claims.
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I find it bad taste to bring politics into this shooting.
All the warning signs--we should have known, bla bla, some blaming Palin--oh come on! Really. What about the ones who killed in a like methods who were always very meek and kind-hearted, "would never hurt a fly" types? In short, you never know, but for every killing like this the other millions of gun owners that day did not kill, very responsible people. More lives have been saved by defensive actions than by the few who die at the hands of thugs. I speak from experience, a firearm saved my wife's and my life once. Four thugs against the two of us. They were so messed up they didn't even notice the 45 in my hand. After I was struck with a 2x2 upside the head I fired once, downing him and the others hauled butt. A firearm is a simple tool like the human hand. It can be used to caress, to show tenderness, or balled into a fist used to inflict pain. I feel for the dead, but am glad to hear of the congresswomans recovery. |
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A suggestion? Those of us wishing to discuss the tragedy without speculation, politics, etc. simply do so and ignore those who wish to insert their agenda.
I, for one, can't recall a day in which I haven't had Giffords and her family in my thoughts as far as hoping for a speedy recovery. I honestly think often of her husband and cannot imagine the depths of his despair to have that which is the most important fixture in his life yank towards the brink for no reason other than the unaided mental dereliction of a random man who became obsessed. Furthermore I mourn for a little girl who's birthday was marred with one of our nation's greatest tragedies and who ultimately became a symbol of how fragile and precious life really is. Senseless violence can strike anyone at any time. As logical creatures we naturally attempt to apply logic and causality to it. But in that we forget that sometimes things happen with explainations we cannot logically comprehend, because the very act is illogical. Human sense does not apply to the senseless. While all things are causally related, human social structures and behaviors, within the spectrum of human reasoning, do not necessarily follow that rule. When it is all said and done, hopefully if you learn one lesson it is this: We all have a choice to make. It's the choice between being able to rise above our opinions, political dispensations, social passions, etc, and acknowledging and uniting within tragedy, or regressing to such opinions and passions in an attempt to explain it away. Who do you want to be? |
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At least the left in this thread had decency to quit the sermons when they were asked to stop. Seriously, I'm starting to believe that my previous sarcastic comment is actually some sort of sad reality to the select few people in- and outside this thread.
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Then why do you do exactly that in the rest of your post?
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Doctors Replace Giffords' Breathing Tube
TUCSON, Arizona – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords no longer needs a respirator after doctors replaced her breathing tube with a different one.
Hospital officials say that Giffords underwent surgery Saturday morning to have a tube inserted in her windpipe to protect her airways. She had been breathing on her own since she was shot in the head Jan. 8, but doctors had left the breathing tube in as a precaution. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/15...eathing-tube/# Note: Update,record Published January 15, 2011
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The door maybe opened a small bit. It would be good for America if people and parties and politicians realise that they need to reunite again, and tone down the aggressiveness and vitriol the past two years have seen. They all have to move back towards the centre again, becasue it is the middle where the shared and common ground is to be found - not at the extremist poles. america has more than ernough serious probvlems and challenges. It does not need to paralyse itself additionally - by putting up these poles against each other, resulting in a deadlock, and a split in the population that is widening.
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He didn't attack you personally, he attacked your habit of accusing one side of wrongful behaviour when you yourself are doing exactly the same thing. Quote:
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