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Old 12-12-10, 10:31 PM   #1
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Old 12-13-10, 01:45 AM   #2
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@Corsair: Nono. No data folder. Put Mod into MODS folder and activate it. Done. EnvSim.act is not located in the data folder!
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Old 12-13-10, 03:39 AM   #3
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Default H.sie's clouds weather fix

I have now completed three full patrols with this, two to the Freetown area, one to the east coast of the USA, all in 1943-44. These were proper patrols to continue a complete campaign (see below).

This fix appears to work perfectly with NYGM. It functions by controlling the clouds and fog parameters with counters.

It has been interesting to compare this fix with the weather fix that I made which controls the windspeed, and which I have been using for a long campaign with NYGM (1939-1943). The windspeed fix controls the buggy wind force with subtraction of 15 m/s when the wind is too high, and with a counter if winds of 15 m/s or more are encountered too often.

H.sie's cloud/fog fix is very effective at controlling these parameters, but not the wind, except indirectly. The windspeed fix controls the wind, but not the clouds and fog (except indirectly). The result is that the weather is more varied with the windspeed fix, but there are fewer 'foggy-storms' with the clouds fix.

There was just one continuous period of eight days of 'foggy-storm' off the USA in my patrols with the H.sie fix (two days with 15 m/s winds, medium visibility; six days with 15 m/s winds, heavy rain, heavy fog). However, this added useful variety, and it never recurred during my three long test patrols.

In case anyone wants to compare the windspeed fix with H.sie's clouds fix, I have updated the link for the winds fix here:
http://www.subsim.com/mods1/nygm/Stiebler_EnvSim.7z

However, my own preference is for H.sie's mod!

[To anticipate the obvious suggestion:
H.sie and I both agreed that the combination of a windspeed and clouds fix created far too much good weather.]

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Old 12-13-10, 04:01 AM   #4
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@Stiebler: Glad to read that it seems to work for you. But: There IS also a controlling mechanism for windspeed. but since the main problem is fog/visibility, and since fog is controlled by its own, rigorous controlling mechanism, I decided to program the controlling mechanism for windspeed to be soft. this could lead to longer periods with storm (1-6 periods). But fog is controlled, as I said, rigorously, so that the probability of fog to last longer than 3 periods is very small. I could eliminate the little chance for longer fog periods, but then weather will be very predictable: Then, after 2 or 3 fog periods you would definitely know that fog will disappear in the next period. I don't like this, so I left the little chance for longer bad weather, but the chance is much smaller now compared to sh3 without this fix.


By the way: I must disappoint those (e.g. Hitman) who wanted me to program an enhanced weather modelling. Even this "simple" fix consists of about 70 lines of assembler and I fear to lose overview when I make deeper changes.
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There was just one continuous period of eight days of 'foggy-storm' off the USA in my patrols with the H.sie fix (two days with 15 m/s winds, medium visibility; six days with 15 m/s winds, heavy rain, heavy fog).
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Old 12-13-10, 04:41 AM   #6
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65 downloads in 2 days. I would be glad to see more test reports.
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@Stiebler: Your 6-days-period of storm made me sad. I never had that during my tests. So I'll have to look into the weather code again but I think I already know the reason:

I remember a scrambler (related to the counter at 0xDD02BC) that causes a bypass of the whole or at least some parts of the weather algorithm in 1 of 3 cases. and obviously, my fixes are also bypassed in 1 of 3 cases what makes them less effective.

I don't know the reason the devs added this scrambler. Maybe to disturb the strong correlation between the random numbers and the generated weather.

If my assumption really is the reason, what I hope, I will program a second version of the fix in which I simply disable the scrambler when I force good weather.
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Old 12-17-10, 04:54 AM   #8
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65 downloads in 2 days. I would be glad to see more test reports.
Report here.

I was always bugged by SH3 weather because it doesnt change for a long time after loading game. That`s why i like your work direction.

I began a career with your mod and it worked great, until today i loaded yesterdays patrol and decided to measure how much time it takes for weather to change. I was checking weather every hour while being at x256 or x512 time compression. It seems my weather is stuck at "No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, wind 0 kts".
Here is the log:

Code:
[Log Entry 472]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=1800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 473]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=1859
Categ=1

[Log Entry 474]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=2000
Categ=1

[Log Entry 475]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=2100
Categ=1

[Log Entry 478]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=2200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 479]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390906
Time=2300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 480]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=0
Categ=1

[Log Entry 481]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=101
Categ=1

[Log Entry 482]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 483]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 485]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=400
Categ=1

[Log Entry 486]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=501
Categ=1

[Log Entry 487]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=559
Categ=1

[Log Entry 488]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=700
Categ=1

[Log Entry 489]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 490]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=900
Categ=1

[Log Entry 491]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1000
Categ=1

[Log Entry 492]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1059
Categ=1

[Log Entry 493]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 495]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 497]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1400
Categ=1

[Log Entry 499]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1500
Categ=1

[Log Entry 501]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1601
Categ=1

[Log Entry 502]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1700
Categ=1

[Log Entry 504]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1758
Categ=1

[Log Entry 506]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=1900
Categ=1

[Log Entry 507]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=2000
Categ=1

[Log Entry 509]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=2100
Categ=1

[Log Entry 510]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=2200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 511]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390907
Time=2301
Categ=1

[Log Entry 513]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390908
Time=0
Categ=1

[Log Entry 514]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390908
Time=100
Categ=1

[Log Entry 516]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390908
Time=201
Categ=1

[Log Entry 518]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 162.
Date=19390908
Time=313
Categ=1

[Log Entry 519]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 154.
Date=19390908
Time=359
Categ=1

[Log Entry 520]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=500
Categ=1

[Log Entry 521]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=600
Categ=1

[Log Entry 523]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=700
Categ=1

[Log Entry 524]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=801
Categ=1

[Log Entry 525]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=900
Categ=1

[Log Entry 526]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1001
Categ=1

[Log Entry 527]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1100
Categ=1

[Log Entry 531]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 533]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 534]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1400
Categ=1

[Log Entry 535]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1501
Categ=1

[Log Entry 538]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1600
Categ=1

[Log Entry 539]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1700
Categ=1

[Log Entry 541]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1804
Categ=1

[Log Entry 543]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=1901
Categ=1

[Log Entry 544]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=2000
Categ=1

[Log Entry 545]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=2101
Categ=1

[Log Entry 547]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=2159
Categ=1

[Log Entry 548]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390908
Time=2300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 549]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1
Categ=1

[Log Entry 551]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=102
Categ=1

[Log Entry 553]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=256
Categ=1

[Log Entry 554]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=408
Categ=1

[Log Entry 556]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=519
Categ=1

[Log Entry 557]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=610
Categ=1

[Log Entry 559]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=715
Categ=1

[Log Entry 560]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 561]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=900
Categ=1

[Log Entry 562]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1006
Categ=1

[Log Entry 563]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1058
Categ=1

[Log Entry 564]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 567]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1251
Categ=1

[Log Entry 568]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1401
Categ=1

[Log Entry 570]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1502
Categ=1

[Log Entry 571]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 124.
Date=19390909
Time=1545
Categ=1

[Log Entry 572]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 167.
Date=19390909
Time=1659
Categ=1

[Log Entry 573]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 204.
Date=19390909
Time=1800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 574]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 240.
Date=19390909
Time=1900
Categ=1

[Log Entry 575]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 277.
Date=19390909
Time=2001
Categ=1

[Log Entry 576]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390909
Time=2101
Categ=1

[Log Entry 577]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390909
Time=2201
Categ=1

[Log Entry 578]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390909
Time=2300
Categ=1

[Log Entry 579]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=3
Categ=1

[Log Entry 580]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=59
Categ=1

[Log Entry 581]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=202
Categ=1

[Log Entry 582]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=259
Categ=1

[Log Entry 583]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=401
Categ=1

[Log Entry 584]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=500
Categ=1

[Log Entry 585]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=601
Categ=1

[Log Entry 587]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=703
Categ=1

[Log Entry 588]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 589]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=901
Categ=1

[Log Entry 590]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1000
Categ=1

[Log Entry 591]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1059
Categ=1

[Log Entry 592]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1200
Categ=1

[Log Entry 593]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1300
Categ=1


[Log Entry 595]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1401
Categ=1

[Log Entry 596]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1500
Categ=1


[Log Entry 598]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1556
Categ=1


[Log Entry 600]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1701
Categ=1

[Log Entry 602]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1800
Categ=1

[Log Entry 603]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=1901
Categ=1

[Log Entry 604]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=2001
Categ=1

[Log Entry 605]
Type=0
EntryText=No clouds, no rain, excellent visibility, Wind speed 0 m/s, direction 296.
Date=19390910
Time=2100
Categ=1
Patrol was loaded at about 16:40 (game time) september 6 1939. First weather change (wind direction only!) happened around 03:59 september 8. Wind direction changed several times and freezed again for a long time. There were several such wind direction changes but no other changes at all!

Maybe, the problem is with my sh3.exe file - it is "old" .exe file with starforce manually removed, but your mod is supposed to work with all .exe. And "Weather Transitions Test Fix V2" works fine...

Maybe that "magic" weather of 0 fog, 0 cloud, 0 wind may cause such problems? Or is such weather already a symptom of some serious weather system problems on my rig?

Thanks for your help!
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