Jobless benefits do more spurs more recovery than tax breaks for the rich - Page 2

Capt Sinbad · 12-03-10, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

Stimulus didn't work, printing money out of thin air to help the jobless isn't going to help, only when the government decides it is going too quite these anti business policies, then we should see some improvement, lefty Dems still don't get it. Rush, said that the fed sent 3 trillion dollars too bailout UK banks, so why are we bailing Europe out?

I'm pretty sure us UK tax payers bailed out our own greedy banks. Don't remember hearing that the US sent one single $...didn't this crisis develop in the US under the watch of Bush?

SteamWake · 12-03-10, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Sinbad

I'm pretty sure us UK tax payers bailed out our own greedy banks. Don't remember hearing that the US sent one single $...didn't this crisis develop in the US under the watch of Bush?

Thats probably because the media dident cover where the money went...
Untill now...

http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.co...ilout-machine/

Oh and this snowball started rolling before Bush helped it along.

12-03-10, 04:46 PM

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Thats probably because the media dident cover where the money went...
Untill now...

So instead of the 3 trillion that wingnut junkie on the radio claimed went to Britian its actually 3 trillion to US companies and banks, multi nationals which are either American owned or conducting big business in America and foriegn banks and companies doing business in America.
So this 3 trillion payout to Britains banks is really a 3 trillion payout to American business interests which is why the media isn't covering the story as its just a wingnut myth

BTW why doesn't the blog which is taken from another blog give proper quotes.

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They may have repaid their loans, but that's not good enough

It does kinda put a damp squib on his rant about money being thrown away when it was coming back the very next day
No mention either of the double triple or even quadruple counting. whodathunk that if you counted the same loans 4 times you could come up with a really big number eh

Capt Sinbad · 12-03-10, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

So instead of the 3 trillion that wingnut junkie on the radio claimed went to Britian its actually 3 trillion to US companies and banks, multi nationals which are either American owned or conducting big business in America and foriegn banks and companies doing business in America.
So this 3 trillion payout to Britains banks is really a 3 trillion payout to American business interests which is why the media isn't covering the story as its just a wingnut myth

Saved me a bit of typing

Bubblehead1980 · 12-03-10, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I predict that every post railing against extending unemployment benefits will ignore this data and offer up nothing but rhetoric and ideology.

But facts are facts, and there it is in black and white. Extending unemployment benefits is indeed more stimulative than tax cuts. Discussion over.

Really? Two years of unemployment benefits being extended over and over and well hows that worked out for us? lol Some people are just blinded by their ideology, even Stevie Wonder can see that it is is just idiotic to think unemployment benefits is more of a stimulus.About all that extending unemployment over and over has done is add to our debt. Having said that, I am actually in favor of extending the benefits this time IF they find a way to pay for them, no more adding to the debt.I am in favor of this because for those who can not find a job, it will hurt them and they need help.

Bubblehead1980 · 12-03-10, 06:31 PM

I believe "trickle down" works, just not as many people think.I've noticed a lot of people think trickle down means well the boss is rich so I am going to be rich.Trickle down more describes how those at the top are doing well and therefore can do things such as hire more people, expand operations, perhaps afford higher salaries, bonuses etc Worked well in the past and would prob work better.The problem is it needs to be sold in a realistic fashion, clarify how it actually works.The problem with that is many American's today believe it is the government's job to "level the playing field" instead of taking on the fight themselves.The playing field is basically level, sure some start with more advantages but that is life.Plenty of people have came from really horrible circumstances and "made it" without the government "helping them"

Say what you want about , but it certainly works better than Obama's "trickle down poverty" of the last two years.

Ducimus · 12-03-10, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

.Trickle down more describes how those at the top are doing well and therefore can do things such as hire more people, expand operations, perhaps afford higher salaries, bonuses etc

Why i say trickle down doesn't work, is because, quite simply, they are not doing that. In fact, they do they exact opposite, and the only ones who see higher salaries or bonuses are upper management.

We, the cubicle plebes, are regarded as nothing more then cogs. Expendable, replaceable, with no long term value, therego no investment is made. Meaning, no 401K matching of any sort, no bonuses, no raises, no nothing. All of that was revoked, and replaced with a happy tap dance, and (metaphorically speaking) a large cumbersome object rammed up our hindquarters, all the while getting that great big upper management smile while they pretend to be our best buddy.

Trickle down.. yeah.. tell me another one. From what i've seen, anyone who believes in that is living in a freaking dream world. Maybe i can sell them oceanfront property in arizona - they might just buy it.

Bubblehead1980 · 12-03-10, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Why i say trickle down doesn't work, is because, quite simply, they are not doing that. In fact, they do they exact opposite, and the only ones who see higher salaries or bonuses are upper management.

We, the cubicle plebes, are regarded as nothing more then cogs. Expendable, replaceable, with no long term value, therego no investment is made. Meaning, no 401K matching of any sort, no bonuses, no raises, no nothing. All of that was revoked, and replaced with a happy tap dance, and (metaphorically speaking) a large cumbersome object rammed up our hindquarters, all the while getting that great big upper management smile while they pretend to be our best buddy.

Trickle down.. yeah.. tell me another one. From what i've seen, anyone who believes in that is living in a freaking dream world. Maybe i can sell them oceanfront property in arizona - they might just buy it.

No we're not currently on a trickle down thing, I agree.There were times in the past it worked.The only thing trickling down these days is poverty and the tingle in Chris Matthew's leg.

Ducimus · 12-03-10, 07:35 PM

Yeah i'm bitter. I fully expect to be laid off either on the 20th of this month, or the 3rd of january. I'll be amazed if im still employed by febuary.

Then again, i've been here for a little over a decade. I'ts been great. Great hours, great coworkers, and up until the last year or so, great managers. Working here didn't seem like a job, but a way of life. So, its been a great run, i don't think i'll be angry when i get that call to see HR, all good things come to an end eventually.

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ANd yeah, i'll be filing for unemployment too. If i've been paying into it for the last 10+ years, your damn right i am.

Takeda Shingen · 12-03-10, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah i'm bitter. I fully expect to be laid off either on the 20th of this month, or the 3rd of january. I'll be amazed if im still employed by febuary.

Then again, i've been here for a little over a decade. I'ts been great. Great hours, great coworkers, and up until the last year or so, great managers. Working here didn't seem like a job, but a way of life. So, its been a great run, i don't think i'll be angry when i get that call to see HR, all good things come to an end eventually.

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ANd yeah, i'll be filing for unemployment too. If i've been paying into it for the last 10+ years, your damn right i am.

I know it does nothing to help, and sounds quaint, but I am really sorry to hear all of that.

12-03-10, 07:47 PM

Does anyone really know what trickle means?
A small, slow, or irregular quantity of anything coming, going, or proceeding.
Note the irregular part.

Around 1995 i got tired of working in a Factory and quit.
I started an ISP and ran that for awhile.
Sold it and went into Construction cause I love doing that type work.
I have NEVER collected so called 'benefits' or asked for help with my business.
When stuff hit the fan?
I had to layoff the Guys that worked for and with me.
That was probably the lowest point in my working life.
Sure it was only 7 Guys Max.
But I was the one that wrote them Good checks every week.
I took care of them on road and made sure the Rooms were nice and never far from needed services.
They worked hard, long hours.

You know what trickle down did for me and them?
Not a DAMNED thing!

I'd post about the last 'Trickle down' I actually had.
But that's X-rated and would get me in trouble.

Ducimus · 12-03-10, 07:59 PM

The overall point of my last two posts, was that the rich just get richer and the poor just get poorer. The whole "trickle down" thing to me, seems like just some BS excuse to justify the "tax breaks for the rich" or whatever other perks they're getting.

If they were genuinly creating jobs i can see the logic, but they aren't. All i've seen lately, is a guilded elite that work/milk/sell out a company for all the money they can make for few years, and then they move on to their next abomination.

12-03-10, 08:21 PM

I agree with you.
My last Factory job?
I got a Tie pin for 5 years Service.
They gave it to me while I was on the job.
I put it in one of my ear ring holes cause I had no where else to put it at the time.

I got wrote up for "Disrespecting the Company".
I quite shortly after.

mookiemookie · 12-03-10, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No we're not currently on a trickle down thing, I agree.There were times in the past it worked.

No there wasn't. If you believe that, then prove it. Hard numbers and data, please.

12-03-10, 08:52 PM

Hard numbers for me means this.......
I employed up to 7 Guys and the lowest paid made $10.00 per hour.
(That's what I started a Guy out at)
The highest paid made $13.00 per hour
(After 1 year!)
Top pay would have been $20.00 per hour at 5 years.
At which point a New Crew would have been built and the pay scale would
have been based on running that crew.
The more you earn me?
The more you earn!
That's the American way.

As we all know Wall Street Wizards shot us all in the arse.

So my Guys took the hit.
I took the hit.
There is no hard data, no proof, no evidence whatsoever that
"Trickle down" did anything but fool the masses.

If you believe anything other?
Your the type fool they were looking for.

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12-03-10, 06:31 PM	#21
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,103 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I believe "trickle down" works, just not as many people think.I've noticed a lot of people think trickle down means well the boss is rich so I am going to be rich.Trickle down more describes how those at the top are doing well and therefore can do things such as hire more people, expand operations, perhaps afford higher salaries, bonuses etc Worked well in the past and would prob work better.The problem is it needs to be sold in a realistic fashion, clarify how it actually works.The problem with that is many American's today believe it is the government's job to "level the playing field" instead of taking on the fight themselves.The playing field is basically level, sure some start with more advantages but that is life.Plenty of people have came from really horrible circumstances and "made it" without the government "helping them" Say what you want about , but it certainly works better than Obama's "trickle down poverty" of the last two years.

12-03-10, 07:35 PM	#24
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah i'm bitter. I fully expect to be laid off either on the 20th of this month, or the 3rd of january. I'll be amazed if im still employed by febuary. Then again, i've been here for a little over a decade. I'ts been great. Great hours, great coworkers, and up until the last year or so, great managers. Working here didn't seem like a job, but a way of life. So, its been a great run, i don't think i'll be angry when i get that call to see HR, all good things come to an end eventually. edit: ANd yeah, i'll be filing for unemployment too. If i've been paying into it for the last 10+ years, your damn right i am.

12-03-10, 07:47 PM	#26
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Does anyone really know what trickle means? A small, slow, or irregular quantity of anything coming, going, or proceeding. Note the irregular part. Around 1995 i got tired of working in a Factory and quit. I started an ISP and ran that for awhile. Sold it and went into Construction cause I love doing that type work. I have NEVER collected so called 'benefits' or asked for help with my business. When stuff hit the fan? I had to layoff the Guys that worked for and with me. That was probably the lowest point in my working life. Sure it was only 7 Guys Max. But I was the one that wrote them Good checks every week. I took care of them on road and made sure the Rooms were nice and never far from needed services. They worked hard, long hours. You know what trickle down did for me and them? Not a DAMNED thing! I'd post about the last 'Trickle down' I actually had. But that's X-rated and would get me in trouble.

12-03-10, 07:59 PM	#27
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The overall point of my last two posts, was that the rich just get richer and the poor just get poorer. The whole "trickle down" thing to me, seems like just some BS excuse to justify the "tax breaks for the rich" or whatever other perks they're getting. If they were genuinly creating jobs i can see the logic, but they aren't. All i've seen lately, is a guilded elite that work/milk/sell out a company for all the money they can make for few years, and then they move on to their next abomination.

12-03-10, 08:21 PM	#28
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I agree with you. My last Factory job? I got a Tie pin for 5 years Service. They gave it to me while I was on the job. I put it in one of my ear ring holes cause I had no where else to put it at the time. I got wrote up for "Disrespecting the Company". I quite shortly after.

12-03-10, 08:52 PM	#30
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hard numbers for me means this....... I employed up to 7 Guys and the lowest paid made $10.00 per hour. (That's what I started a Guy out at) The highest paid made $13.00 per hour (After 1 year!) Top pay would have been $20.00 per hour at 5 years. At which point a New Crew would have been built and the pay scale would have been based on running that crew. The more you earn me? The more you earn! That's the American way. As we all know Wall Street Wizards shot us all in the arse. So my Guys took the hit. I took the hit. There is no hard data, no proof, no evidence whatsoever that "Trickle down" did anything but fool the masses. If you believe anything other? Your the type fool they were looking for.