German police arrest 22 in neo-Nazi internet raid

tater · 11-04-10, 06:13 PM

Civilians in the US knew about the death camps, and pressured FDR to bomb them. If any US civilians knew, then virtually all german civilians had to know.

Since any germans that lived through the war had a vested interest in saying they did not know about atrocities after the war, their answers must be assumed to be self-serving unless proved otherwise. I've heard interviews with those that say that they did know, so what was special about those civilians? Nothing. They knew cause everyone knew. I used to have lunch sometimes with a retired history prof who was in the WM on the Eastern Front (a junior officer, he was a russian language student and was used for that skill), he told me everyone knew what was going on, but that it was a different time, and that was the way everyone thought.

My point was that I didn't care if they were officially members or not. It doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words or signatures on party cards. If you fought to prolong the Reich, you were culpable in prolonging the Reich, period.

My observation about being pleased at the summary execution in SPR won't change. These are guys who are fighting for continued genocide. That IS what they are fighting for, just like the Confederates in the US Civil War were fighting so human beings could be property. Were they all thinking about that when they fought? No, of course not. Doesn't matter, that IS what they fought for, like it or not—heck, even if they didn't know that was what they fought for, it was what they fought for.

Faced with the D-Day invasion force, they had zero chance of winning the day. Zero. Surrender would have been entirely honorable in the face of that force without firing a shot. Instead, they killed countless boys (from damn far away) who were there to STOP genocide. Were they thinking about THAT? Nope, but that is none the less what they were fighting for. At that point, I have virtually no sympathy for the defenders. I agree with Patton when he told his junior officers not to accept German surrenders inside 200 yards—the time for the bad guys to surrender is before they needlessly kill our guys (needless since they're going to be surrendering anyway—all that German killing was just "because").

When you look at something on topic for SS, u-boats, then it's clearer. Any that didn't support the war could simply have defected. They would be assumed lost (since most boats WERE lost). Every single death they caused once the US was in was needless (and before that, malicious, assuming they thought they could win). IN fact, their fighting prolonged the war, and hence caused even more deaths (Allied, Axis, and civilian).

Bottom line is that without the consent of the populace, the Nazis would have been overthrown. The Soviets killed more than they did, and THEY were overthrown, after all.

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11-04-10, 06:13 PM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Civilians in the US knew about the death camps, and pressured FDR to bomb them. If any US civilians knew, then virtually all german civilians had to know. Since any germans that lived through the war had a vested interest in saying they did not know about atrocities after the war, their answers must be assumed to be self-serving unless proved otherwise. I've heard interviews with those that say that they did know, so what was special about those civilians? Nothing. They knew cause everyone knew. I used to have lunch sometimes with a retired history prof who was in the WM on the Eastern Front (a junior officer, he was a russian language student and was used for that skill), he told me everyone knew what was going on, but that it was a different time, and that was the way everyone thought. My point was that I didn't care if they were officially members or not. It doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words or signatures on party cards. If you fought to prolong the Reich, you were culpable in prolonging the Reich, period. My observation about being pleased at the summary execution in SPR won't change. These are guys who are fighting for continued genocide. That IS what they are fighting for, just like the Confederates in the US Civil War were fighting so human beings could be property. Were they all thinking about that when they fought? No, of course not. Doesn't matter, that IS what they fought for, like it or not—heck, even if they didn't know that was what they fought for, it was what they fought for. Faced with the D-Day invasion force, they had zero chance of winning the day. Zero. Surrender would have been entirely honorable in the face of that force without firing a shot. Instead, they killed countless boys (from damn far away) who were there to STOP genocide. Were they thinking about THAT? Nope, but that is none the less what they were fighting for. At that point, I have virtually no sympathy for the defenders. I agree with Patton when he told his junior officers not to accept German surrenders inside 200 yards—the time for the bad guys to surrender is before they needlessly kill our guys (needless since they're going to be surrendering anyway—all that German killing was just "because"). When you look at something on topic for SS, u-boats, then it's clearer. Any that didn't support the war could simply have defected. They would be assumed lost (since most boats WERE lost). Every single death they caused once the US was in was needless (and before that, malicious, assuming they thought they could win). IN fact, their fighting prolonged the war, and hence caused even more deaths (Allied, Axis, and civilian). Bottom line is that without the consent of the populace, the Nazis would have been overthrown. The Soviets killed more than they did, and THEY were overthrown, after all.