Something I actually miss from stock...

FIREWALL · 10-13-10, 08:14 PM

I agree. In all I've read I don't recall any zig-zag on a depth charge run.

Of the few decent movies available I don't remember seeing it either.

Armistead · 10-13-10, 09:39 PM

Now that you mention it, I remember, but it is much harder and I guess that's the goal of TMO. Still, if you time the zig it's not that difficult to do DTT shots and catch them in the side and sink them. The only down side is it usually takes three torps, one to the middle and one for each possible zig, but almost always get hits. You do have to admit DTT shots were easy in stock.

Sailor Steve · 10-13-10, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I agree. In all I've read I don't recall any zig-zag on a depth charge run.

Of the few decent movies available I don't remember seeing it either.

But how much have you read or seen of sub skippers getting easy down-the-throat shots because the destroyers were stupid? Ducimus has said many times that the point of TMO was not to make it technically realistic, but to make the player behave in a more realistic manner. You don't read about destroyers zigging on an attack run, because they probably didn't, but also because the sub captain wasn't looking through the periscope lining up a shot - he was diving, twisting and turning.

WernherVonTrapp · 10-13-10, 10:23 PM

I can't remember if I ever succeeded, or even attempted a DTT shot on a DD. On the other hand, I've had great success, when the situation was right, taking out DDs from rear angles. Usually in rough seas and when they least expect it (are stopped or moving slowly).

Armistead · 10-13-10, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But how much have you read or seen of sub skippers getting easy down-the-throat shots because the destroyers were stupid? Ducimus has said many times that the point of TMO was not to make it technically realistic, but to make the player behave in a more realistic manner. You don't read about destroyers zigging on an attack run, because they probably didn't, but also because the sub captain wasn't looking through the periscope lining up a shot - he was diving, twisting and turning.

Unless he was Mush Morton.....

FIREWALL · 10-13-10, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Unless he was Mush Morton.....

Or Clark Gable

Armistead · 10-13-10, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Or Clark Gable

Even better..

But overall Steve is correct, few skippers had the guts to take DD's head on.

Sailor Steve · 10-14-10, 12:53 AM

I think my point was really more that ever since SH1 it's been common to read players giving 'advice' on running straight away with the periscope raised so the destroyers would chase you, giving you an easy shot, and keeping score of how many DDs you had "popped". Some real skippers did take on destroyers, but the above was not the way they did it, and I'm sure that's exactly what Ducimus was trying to discourage.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-14-10, 03:55 AM

well I did DTT shots by turning into them and basically playing "chicken" as the RL skippers did. At 700 or 600 yards I would fire two fish and then order a hard dive with full rudder left or right, depending on the situation.Their behavior was realistic in stock, theyd see fish and attempt to turn away.The reason i find it difficult in TMO is the zigs, they dont keep a 0 AOB so its not even a down the throat shot really.Wasnt complaining on TMO or anything, just saying I miss being able to use the DTT shot now and then in the fashion of Morton or Dealey.

A few times I've had TMo DD's not zigg on the way to me when theyre close and pulled the shots off, but their super strong bows absorbed it like nothing.

Just one thing I miss about stock, ah well.

10-13-10, 08:14 PM	#1
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I agree. In all I've read I don't recall any zig-zag on a depth charge run. Of the few decent movies available I don't remember seeing it either. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

10-13-10, 10:23 PM	#4
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	I can't remember if I ever succeeded, or even attempted a DTT shot on a DD. On the other hand, I've had great success, when the situation was right, taking out DDs from rear angles. Usually in rough seas and when they least expect it (are stopped or moving slowly). __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

10-14-10, 12:53 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I think my point was really more that ever since SH1 it's been common to read players giving 'advice' on running straight away with the periscope raised so the destroyers would chase you, giving you an easy shot, and keeping score of how many DDs you had "popped". Some real skippers did take on destroyers, but the above was not the way they did it, and I'm sure that's exactly what Ducimus was trying to discourage. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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10-13-10, 09:39 PM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Now that you mention it, I remember, but it is much harder and I guess that's the goal of TMO. Still, if you time the zig it's not that difficult to do DTT shots and catch them in the side and sink them. The only down side is it usually takes three torps, one to the middle and one for each possible zig, but almost always get hits. You do have to admit DTT shots were easy in stock.

10-14-10, 03:55 AM	#9
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,120 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	well I did DTT shots by turning into them and basically playing "chicken" as the RL skippers did. At 700 or 600 yards I would fire two fish and then order a hard dive with full rudder left or right, depending on the situation.Their behavior was realistic in stock, theyd see fish and attempt to turn away.The reason i find it difficult in TMO is the zigs, they dont keep a 0 AOB so its not even a down the throat shot really.Wasnt complaining on TMO or anything, just saying I miss being able to use the DTT shot now and then in the fashion of Morton or Dealey. A few times I've had TMo DD's not zigg on the way to me when theyre close and pulled the shots off, but their super strong bows absorbed it like nothing. Just one thing I miss about stock, ah well.