Why Obama is so bad and why Europe loves him

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I hate saying it, but as a people , we are a fairly ignorant lot. You just don't realize it until you spend some time overseas and have to interact with people from a different country

Duci, I have spent time overseas, interacted with plenty of people from Europe etc.I believe in the American way.Morris explained it well about how they know they can't compete so want us wrangled in.



Xabbarus....

My "blissful ignorance" comment was a statement on how that Europeans claim to be happier.I was saying many may live in a state of blissful ignorance, so believe they are happy but are unaware that they have no real economic liberty under the socialist style system.So they may have their universal healthcare etc but do not have some of the liberties Americans have.The thing that bothered me most is say the NHS in Britain, even if you do no use the NHS, you still have to pay.

America is about the individual or was intended to be and most people still feel that way.Again, as Dick Morris pointed out, socialism can never really compete with capitalism.America really is that last bastion of TRUE freedom in the world and we are losing it fast under our current leadership.Obama is seen in europe as "wrangling" our country in so he is popular there.Luckily Americans have awaken and we will stop him.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Morris explained it well about how they know they can't compete so want us wrangled in.

Well I'm really glad that mr. Morris knows so much about how European people think. A mind reader, is he?

Or rather not. I'm sorry to say it, but us Europeans "knowing we can't compete" is plain bull excrement.

My "blissful ignorance" comment was a statement on how that Europeans claim to be happier.I was saying many may live in a state of blissful ignorance, so believe they are happy but are unaware that they have no real economic liberty under the socialist style system.

Ah, now I finally know! I've never really been happy, it's all just been an illusion!


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So they may have their universal healthcare etc but do not have some of the liberties Americans have.The thing that bothered me most is say the NHS in Britain, even if you do no use the NHS, you still have to pay.

America is about the individual or was intended to be and most people still feel that way.Again, as Dick Morris pointed out, socialism can never really compete with capitalism.America really is that last bastion of TRUE freedom in the world and we are losing it fast under our current leadership.Obama is seen in europe as "wrangling" our country in so he is popular there.Luckily Americans have awaken and we will stop him.

True freedom, I can agree with you on that. Unfortunately, that also includes the freedom to be selfish and let other, less fortunate people die from disease and hunger.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Well I'm really glad that mr. Morris knows so much about how European people think. A mind reader, is he?

Or rather not. I'm sorry to say it, but us Europeans "knowing we can't compete" is plain bull excrement.

Ah, now I finally know! I've never really been happy, it's all just been an illusion!


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True freedom, I can agree with you on that. Unfortunately, that also includes the freedom to be selfish and let other, less fortunate people die from disease and hunger.

No, not bull excrement.I agree with him because history backs him up.Capital did flee to UK under the Iron Lady and has since fled to the US as he said.Socialism has no real chance against Capitalism, history has shown it thus far.

No, you may be happy but I was saying that many in Europe are not aware of the limited freedom they have due to the system there but as long as they are on the dole, they feel happy, thus the state of blissful ignorance.


True freedom is what is need.Well we should have limited programs for those left behind but prob is most people who are poor are that way because of their own making.Sure if you are born poor you cant help that.However, if you go to school, work hard you can make your way, plenty have done it in America.The problem is the welfare state kills motivation.People get lazy and adopt defeatism as an attitude.Then they go and have children they are not equipped to support in any way and thus end up living off govt aka tax money.Why should a productive member of society such as myself pay for trash like that?

Now, as said before and as I have always believed, we should have a light safety net to help people get back on their feet when in hard times but no nanny state, cradle to grave system as some want in the US.This would spell our downfall for sure.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, not bull excrement.I agree with him because history backs him up.Capital did flee to UK under the Iron Lady and has since fled to the US as he said.Socialism has no real chance against Capitalism, history has shown it thus far.

Capital flees to the US?
AFAIK, the primary way for money to somehow flee to another country is by trade. If we look at the Cumulative Current Account Balance per Capita we see that the US is in red while most of western Europe is green (note especially the "Socialist States" of Norway and Sweden), meaning *your* money disappears to *our* countries. Not a bad achievement by our Socialist nations, compared to you Capitalists

No, you may be happy but I was saying that many in Europe are not aware of the limited freedom they have due to the system there but as long as they are on the dole, they feel happy, thus the state of blissful ignorance.

Most people *are* in fact aware of what you call "limited freedom". You somehow assume we are all lost souls waiting for The True Messiah Of Capitalism who will turn us towards the right path. You assume that most are happy because they wouldn't understand our current system.
I'm very sorry to burst your bubble, but it doesn't work that way.

The problem is the welfare state kills motivation.People get lazy and adopt defeatism as an attitude.Then they go and have children they are not equipped to support in any way and thus end up living off govt aka tax money.

You assume that if the state supports you, you won't work hard. To a limited degree that's true. If you're uneducated and you get no money at all, you *have* to work hard or you can't pay your bills. But shouldn't an uneducated, unwanted laborer have an equal right to have spare time and relaxation as a highly educated professional?
Of course there are always people who abuse the system, but the extreme majority of people don't.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

The thing that bothered me most is say the NHS in Britain, even if you do no use the NHS, you still have to pay.

Same goes for our public school system, and the fire departments, and the police, and the libraries, and the parks, and the highways... etc... etc...

Same goes for our public school system, and the fire departments, and the police, and the libraries, and the parks, and the highways... etc... etc...

Thats because you live in a socialist dictatorship.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats because you live in a socialist dictatorship.

I know you are attempting to be sarcastic.However, the US is on the road at the moment.The US like in anything is different though, it'll be gradual not immediate, Americans would never stand for sudden change.Luckily, most of us are wise to what is going on now so after November and 2012, we will put a stop to it.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats because you live in a socialist dictatorship.

I resent that, a dictatorship is run efficiently! The goverment of New York State is not efficient at all!

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Splitting hairs, healthcare is much, much different.

Lets see in this country...
If you need education (all do) you go to public school, unless you pay additional tuition for a private school.
If you need security you call the police, unless you pay for a private security company.
If you want to spend time in nature you go to a park, unless you own your own undeveloped land.
If you need medical treatment... you pay a private company to subsidize it...

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

If you want to spend time in nature you go to a park, unless you own your own undeveloped land.
If you need medical treatment... you pay a private company to subsidize it...

Strange priorities you guys have. If you want to visit a park, you can do it for free. If you've got a life-threatening disease you either pay or die

Am I the only person here who finds it a bit weird to deem a plant more important than a man's life?

[Ducimus]

(insert my usual rant about CEO fat cats outsourcing a crap ton of US jobs overseas here in response to darkfish's damning post )

Made in USA......ain't something you see very much of anymore. Until we see a helluva lot more of that, down the tubes we'll continue to go. Not that the upper 1% cares, they have theirs, country be damned.

Luckily, most of us are wise to what is going on now so after November and 2012, we will put a stop to it.

Since you demonstrate your wisdom on politics by parroting some rants from the crazyest fringe I wouldn't call yourself lucky Bubble as most people have more sense than to follow those loons so you will be disappointed in looking towarcds your "lucky break" as you are just going to end up with the same run of the mill politicians your country has had since it existed just like all the other countries with elections do.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Since you demonstrate your wisdom on politics by parroting some rants from the crazyest fringe I wouldn't call yourself lucky Bubble as most people have more sense than to follow those loons so you will be disappointed in looking towarcds your "lucky break" as you are just going to end up with the same run of the mill politicians your country has had since it existed just like all the other countries with elections do.

Things are different.The election of Obama woke a lot of people up.Admiral Yamamoto's "sleeping giant" comment comes to mind.The Left is in denial or thinks if they save face it will deter the opposition but it will not.We shall soon see who will be laughing.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Things are different.The election of Obama woke a lot of people up.

The only things that have changed are the faces. The crappy, selfish game remains the same.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Same goes for our public school system, and the fire departments, and the police, and the libraries, and the parks, and the highways... etc... etc...

Splitting hairs, healthcare is much, much different.