Mosque invester gave money to terror group.BIG SHOCK!

[antikristuseke]

Fighting against windmills never did anyone any good, the threat you precieve is just that, a precieved threat.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Fighting against windmills never did anyone any good, the threat you precieve is just that, a precieved threat.

You shouldn't dismiss it that easily. I'm not sure how things look like in Estonia but in my town the Islamic presence has grown way stronger over the last 20 years. You can't get into the city anymore without bumping into dozens of Muslims (and it's a small city). A mosque has been build and we have a Mili Görüs "culture centre" (they are under surveillance by the constitution protection for tendencies to plan to overthrow the democratic constitution btw.). Islam is definitely not on it's way down in Germany and western Europe (ask the Dutch and British). I don't think that I will live to see the day that a centre European country turns into a Islamic state, but I fear for my grandchildren.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just that jewish and chrisatian mkissions of withc-hunting and inquisition and religious supression by war and torture are over since - how long was it?

Actually, there are still Christian witch hunters operating in the world, particularly in Africa and Asia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_170685.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24759141/
http://newsblaze.com/story/201008260.../topstory.html
http://www.womensenews.org/story/the...ctims-in-india

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Fighting against windmills never did anyone any good, the threat you precieve is just that, a precieved threat.

Indeed. Of course, you're always going to have a horde of radicals out there dedicated to their own sentiments and beliefs- regardless of whether or not their beliefs are rational or for that matter factual. This is as universal a law as gravity- and it has no boundaries. It is not constrained just to one thing, but many things: religion, politics, the list is practically endless. It doesn't matter what side they're on, you can never reason with a radical.

[Factor]

Religion. The ROOT of ALL EViL!

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

You shouldn't dismiss it that easily. I'm not sure how things look like in Estonia but in my town the Islamic presence has grown way stronger over the last 20 years. You can't get into the city anymore without bumping into dozens of Muslims (and it's a small city). A mosque has been build and we have a Mili Görüs "culture centre" (they are under surveillance by the constitution protection for tendencies to plan to overthrow the democratic constitution btw.). Islam is definitely not on it's way down in Germany and western Europe (ask the Dutch and British). I don't think that I will live to see the day that a centre European country turns into a Islamic state, but I fear for my grandchildren.

Imigrants dont come here because the weather sucks as much as our socieal welfare. Right now the Estonian muslim comunity is about 0.5% of the population and about 70-80% of people are non religious.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Factor

Religion. The ROOT of ALL EViL!

George Carlin had it figured out.



Some good principles, some bad principles, some sensible ideas, some absolutely bats*** insane ideas. Good and bad people following these principles and ideas (others not) all around.

[antikristuseke]

Mr. Connoly allso got the gist of religion

Originally Posted by Factor

Religion. The ROOT of ALL EViL!

Bugger off, If I do something evil its because I DID SOMETHING EVIL, not because Ares or Zeus told me to. You should be blaming the people doing the evil instead of the excuses the evildoers use to justify their evil.

People will always find reasons to burn others to death and getting rid of religion won't stop that, religion just happens to be an easy excuse beacuse no matter what religion you are you can always go ranting around like a lunatic stabbing people and screaming "JESUS/THOR/MUHAMMED/BUDDHA/CHARLES DARWIN/WHATEVER/ TOLD ME TO STAB YOU"

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Mr. Connoly allso got the gist of religion

Billy's accent certainly inspires. He's like Mel Gibson as William Wallace in Braveheart. And yes, he is quite right too.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Bugger off, If I do something evil its because I DID SOMETHING EVIL, not because Ares or Zeus told me to. You should be blaming the people doing the evil instead of the excuses the evildoers use to justify their evil.

I agree, but religion does provide a convenient excuse and a tool for ambitious men with which to controll masses. In the end the individual is responsible for his or her actions.

[Factor]

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Rilder

Bugger off, If I do something evil its because I DID SOMETHING EVIL, not because Ares or Zeus told me to. You should be blaming the people doing the evil instead of the excuses the evildoers use to justify their evil.

"Bugger Off" LOL


809 million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people.
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Factor

"Bugger Off" LOL

809 million people have died in religious wars. That’s nearly a billion people.
Oftentimes, a retort is that secular ideals and Godless Communism have killed many more. It is true that Stalin, among others, slaughtered his own people by the millions during the industrialization of Soviet Russia. By comparison, 209 million have died in the name of Communism. Some 62 million died during World War II, civilian and military, on all sides. Conclusively, more people have died in the name of religion than in the name of Communism or Hitler, or the two combined times two.

Pretty much this. Although Hitler was not an Atheist (a Catholic, actually, by his own practices with an interest in occultism) and did not start the Second World War because of religion. Anybody who would try to argue that is a complete ignoramus of world history. Open Wikipedia and find out how it began OR, better yet, watch a documentary where no reading is required. Stalin, as well, targeted people in his Great Purge who were dissidents- not because of his religious beliefs.

[antikristuseke]

Some people were targeted due to their ethnicity aswell under Stalins regime, my grandmother was one of them.

[Factor]

I didn't state Hitler started the war because of religion. I was comparing his war and Stalins genocides, to those killed in the name of religion.