Gun Control issues - Page 2

09-02-10, 08:28 PM

The best gun control is with two hands and close to your body.

August · 09-02-10, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Because no one was looking to use this as some weired "omg he's dun stealin' our guns!" thing.

The proposed EPA lead ban was on all types of ammunition, not just shotgun pellets. Since the substitute, copper, is far more expensive it's mainly an attempt to price the cost of ammo out of even more peoples ability to buy it and pissing off every gun owner in the process.

Dumb move in an election year Democrats...

August · 09-02-10, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

But If we were talking fully automatic Thompsons, or BAR's, id be singing a different tune as gun control goes.

Not me. Legal full autos are already highly regulated and the people who own them are investigated very thoroughly. In their hands these weapons would be safer than if they stay sitting in some ill guarded foreign warehouse unwanted and forgotten.

Ducimus · 09-02-10, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by August

The proposed EPA lead ban was on all types of ammunition, not just shotgun pellets. Since the substitute, copper, is far more expensive it's mainly an attempt to price the cost of ammo out of even more peoples ability to buy it and pissing off every gun owner in the process.

Dumb move in an election year Democrats...

I missed the buss on that one. When was that? Not something currently in legislative process I hope.

August · 09-02-10, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I missed the buss on that one. When was that? Not something currently in legislative process I hope.

Last weeks news. To their credit the EPA rejected it;

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ishing-tackle/

09-02-10, 08:43 PM

Notice of Proposed Rule which lasted two or three days last week.

Ducimus · 09-02-10, 09:01 PM

Switching all shot, bullets, and sinkers to something not lead, is as ludicrious as it is impractical. I mean, seriously the very notion that there's THAT much lead flying around outdoors to warrant such a change, youd think the outdoors was was big massive war zone.

There's only one instance where I can see a reasonable argument against lead, and thats in the case of water foul. As for any enviromental contamination by lead from firearms, the only example ive ever seen was what might as well be called a "redneck shooting range". I spent alot of time at Lytle creek as a kid. It was a dry river bed in a gulch, with an access road down one side, where several "lanes" and parking areas existed from repeated use. Back up your truck, drop the gate, lay out your pieces, put out your targets, and away you went. Man, I shot the hell out of some water jugs, tin cans, etc there. I even shot skeet out there. I heard they had to close it down for some years because of the lead. But that was after several years, and I'm guessing thousands of shooters, all concentrated in one area.

09-02-10, 09:03 PM

So water foul are less worthy of a quick death than other game animals?

August · 09-02-10, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

So water foul are less worthy of a quick death than other game animals?

What?

Ducimus · 09-02-10, 09:07 PM

The argument for water foul is that once the shot has travelled its course, it settles where ducks and other water foul can mistakenly eat it, thereby getting lead poisoning. That's where there's steel shot. I don't go duck hunting, and if I did, i'm not sure Id use steel shot anyway. It doesnt work as well as lead.

09-02-10, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by August

What?

Lead is the most efficient ammunition. It is deadly. Copper is questionable in the same regime.

NeonSamurai · 09-03-10, 08:23 AM

The problem with lead shot is that ducks, geese, and other water birds ingest small stones as part of their digestive system. If they ingest the lead pellets, they die from poisoning. Also there were problems with lead contaminated water, etc. Canada as I recall banned lead shot several years ago due to all the lead ending up in the waters.

August · 09-03-10, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

Lead is the most efficient ammunition. It is deadly. Copper is questionable in the same regime.

There's nothing wrong with using steel shot for bird hunting.

yubba · 09-04-10, 01:45 PM

Gun control is being able to hit your target ,yes I'm a clinger, cling too my guns and a bottle of jack. I guess it's ok for big companies too use our planet like a toilet god for bid you have a gun range."EPA is taking action on many fronts to address major sources of lead in our society, such as eliminating childhood exposures to lead, and by not getting the armed criminals off the streets, but by taking your guns and ammo.

ETR3(SS) · 09-04-10, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

yes I'm a clinger, cling too my guns and a bottle of jack..

Hopefully not at the same time right?

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09-02-10, 08:28 PM	#16
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The best gun control is with two hands and close to your body.

09-02-10, 08:43 PM	#21
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Notice of Proposed Rule which lasted two or three days last week.

09-02-10, 09:01 PM	#22
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Switching all shot, bullets, and sinkers to something not lead, is as ludicrious as it is impractical. I mean, seriously the very notion that there's THAT much lead flying around outdoors to warrant such a change, youd think the outdoors was was big massive war zone. There's only one instance where I can see a reasonable argument against lead, and thats in the case of water foul. As for any enviromental contamination by lead from firearms, the only example ive ever seen was what might as well be called a "redneck shooting range". I spent alot of time at Lytle creek as a kid. It was a dry river bed in a gulch, with an access road down one side, where several "lanes" and parking areas existed from repeated use. Back up your truck, drop the gate, lay out your pieces, put out your targets, and away you went. Man, I shot the hell out of some water jugs, tin cans, etc there. I even shot skeet out there. I heard they had to close it down for some years because of the lead. But that was after several years, and I'm guessing thousands of shooters, all concentrated in one area.

09-02-10, 09:03 PM	#23
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	So water foul are less worthy of a quick death than other game animals?

09-02-10, 09:07 PM	#25
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The argument for water foul is that once the shot has travelled its course, it settles where ducks and other water foul can mistakenly eat it, thereby getting lead poisoning. That's where there's steel shot. I don't go duck hunting, and if I did, i'm not sure Id use steel shot anyway. It doesnt work as well as lead.