[REL] Radar Training for Nisgeis' 3D TDC and Radar Range Unit UPDATED: 7/31/10

[Nisgeis]

Hmmm, that's odd. I don't know how that happened, perhaps something got mixed up. With the radar training pack I provided, you don't need to copy them into the single missions folder, just install with JSGME as normal. I downloaded JCC's version of the mission and he's changed the ship without updating the blurb, except his ship starts about 20 km away and is on a course of 342 so that can't be the mission you have either. Maybe along the way I incorporated a changed mission file without noticing.

I've modified the mission and re-uploaded it here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1952

10 knots on a course of 338 at a starting range of 12,000 yards.

Well done for spotting it though. The speed was indeed 18 knots, so well done for finding the 'deliberate mistake' .

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Nisgeis wrote...

I've modified the mission and re-uploaded it here:

Thank You Sir

Nisgeis wrote...

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Again, Thanks

Urge

[Nisgeis]

No problem, sorry about the mix up. How are you getting on with it?

Nisgeis wrote...

How are you getting on with it?

I played with both radar scopes a few times to get ranges and that all seems pretty straightforward. After loading the correct Tdc training mission I started working on the TDC inputs but I am having a technical problem. I can't read some of the dials. The Target, Target Course and Own Ship dials are very difficult to read. I have to use a magnifying glass! The game resolution I am using is 1280 x 960. On the forum the pics you show have dials that are easy to read. Is it me or is it true for everyone? Should I change my resolution? I haven't spent all that much time playing with this mod but it seems to have lots of potential to make the game infinitely more interesting and rewarding.
Never mind, I just figured out that all I had to do was zoom it. I'm an idiot!

Another question, I am guessing that with this new TDC capability I can shoot stern-mot-bow, bow-stern-mot or any other combo of shots I want by just pointing at where on the target I want to hit and firing, is this true? In essence, point and shoot once you have a solution in the TDC.

Urge

[Roger Dodger]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Hmmm, that's odd. I don't know how that happened, perhaps something got mixed up. With the radar training pack I provided, you don't need to copy them into the single missions folder, just install with JSGME as normal. I downloaded JCC's version of the mission and he's changed the ship without updating the blurb, except his ship starts about 20 km away and is on a course of 342 so that can't be the mission you have either. Maybe along the way I incorporated a changed mission file without noticing.

I've modified the mission and re-uploaded it here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=1952

10 knots on a course of 338 at a starting range of 12,000 yards.

I downloaded and installed v1.02 via JSME into the Submarine School as directed. When I tried out the first 'mission', I found myself smacky-dab in the middle of about forty-eleven U.S. Destroyers and Cruisers - some stationary, some moving.

Say 'What???' I haven't even tried to find the target @12K yards. Did I miss something?

[Roger Dodger]

Near the end of Part 2, text on the screen says:

"We are almost ready to shoot. The target is at 1661 yds.
He will cross your bow at 88 degrees (his course 338 - your course 250 degrees = 88 degrees)"

I'll assume that courses 338 and 250 are 'True' courses, so the 88 degrees must also be a 'True' bearing (as opposed to 'Relative' bearing). Which dial will read out the 88 degree bearing? And is that the point where I fire my torpedoes?

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Roger Dodger

Near the end of Part 2, text on the screen says:

"We are almost ready to shoot. The target is at 1661 yds.
He will cross your bow at 88 degrees (his course 338 - your course 250 degrees = 88 degrees)"

I'll assume that courses 338 and 250 are 'True' courses, so the 88 degrees must also be a 'True' bearing (as opposed to 'Relative' bearing). Which dial will read out the 88 degree bearing? And is that the point where I fire my torpedoes?

The courses are indeed true. The 88 degrees will be your torpedo track angle or the relative bearing difference between the target course and yours. This is indicated by the "arrow" coming out of your sub on the "Own Ship" dial.

Looking at the dials as they are now if I was to shoot the torpedo would have to change direction by about 20 degrees to the left and it would hit the ship on it's port bow at a very oblique angle. Bettwer to wait until the ship closes a bit and it is closer to a 90 degree angle

When I am in the chair I generally shoot when the arrow is no more than +/- 15 degrees off of the center of my boat (on the dial) and the target is roughly perpendicular to my boat (assuming you are in range). tricky but it can be done.

This is like one of those old 3-D puzzles. If you stare at it long enough, it all becomes clear!

JCC

[Roger Dodger]

Originally Posted by John Channing

The courses are indeed true. The 88 degrees will be your torpedo track angle or the relative bearing difference between the target course and yours. This is indicated by the "arrow" coming out of your sub on the "Own Ship" dial.

Looking at the dials as they are now if I was to shoot the torpedo would have to change direction by about 20 degrees to the left and it would hit the ship on it's port bow at a very oblique angle. Bettwer to wait until the ship closes a bit and it is closer to a 90 degree angle

When I am in the chair I generally shoot when the arrow is no more than +/- 15 degrees off of the center of my boat (on the dial) and the target is roughly perpendicular to my boat (assuming you are in range). tricky but it can be done.

This is like one of those old 3-D puzzles. If you stare at it long enough, it all becomes clear!

JCC

Yeah, I think I need a cartoon or something. I'm having a really hard time visualizing this.

I just finished running the 2nd Sub School Mission. Everybody is stationary, so the set-up was pretty casual. I took three RADAR observations to start to get a good idea of where the target was, then used the scope (bridge was all wet due to a monsoon) to line up with the bearing (312T), hit the (=) key, 1/3 ahead. When headed in the right direction, came to all stop, and took two more RADAR observations. Repeated this process several times, making minor corrections as I went along. When I got to where I felt comfortable with the firing solution, fired three torpedoes and scored three hits. Pretty good for firing blind (never could see the target until I got a hit). I could never have gotten a shot using auto-targeting since I couldn't get an observation.

Final readouts from the periscope screen:
POSITION KEEPER/TORPEDO SETTINGS
Bow Torpedo's track angle: 89
Range: 917
Bow Torpedo's gyro angle: 357 (R)
Bow Torpedo's course: 312 (T)
Offset Angle: 0
FIRING OBSERVATION (RADAR)
Range: 800
Bearing: 357

Never figured out why the descreptency between the two ranges.