Flights averted due to a UFO...

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It's as good if not better than the footage captured by MIGs in the Soviet Union scrambled to intercept one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5100897567649#

This story - at least as presented in the video - doesn't hold water. The in-cockpit shots are clearly from the backseat of an F-15D, or maybe an F-15E, and not of any MiG whatsoever. The "cigar" shaped object is probably an airliner, tanker, target drone, or what have you. Also, the MiG-21s taking of in the beginning of the video is a quite familiar scene to me, I've seen it often over the years in different documentaries.
So, while there easily might have been an incident where Soviet MiGs intercepted a UFO, the above video doesn't show any of this at all.

For me, it's a bit ironic that this topic is coming up now, because I recently got into this UFO thing a bit, and a bit more in earnest, out of curiosity. In the last two years or so there have been some good shows that I was now watching on youtube and which are making some good points and / or do have some credible witnesses / material (e.g. Air Force people, or actual radio transmissions of some incidents etc). I'm especially intrigued by the idea of "Ancient Aliens / Astronauts" theories - that Aliens might have been visiting some of the ancient civilizations etc. Them ancient people building walls with 20 ton stones - uhm, did they? Or how could they cut into solid rocks / granite so well and accurate that we would have a hard time to reproduce the same kind of accuracy with today's tools and technics etc.

I've yet to see some definite proof, but I figure, even if it's all a hoax or can be explained, it made for some good entertainment nonetheless.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by heartc

Them ancient people building walls with 20 ton stones - uhm, did they? Or how could they cut into solid rocks / granite so well and accurate that we would have a hard time to reproduce the same kind of accuracy with today's tools and technics etc.

That's piqued my curiosity. I don't suppose you have links for some of that stuff about cutting up rocks?

[heartc]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

That's piqued my curiosity. I don't suppose you have links for some of that stuff about cutting up rocks?

Check this link out. It is the first of a 5 (or 4?) part series on "Ancient Aliens", each part cut up in 9 clips or so.

The later parts of the series seem to go more and more out there and get hard to swallow, but especially this first episode ("Ancient Aliens - The Evidence") is quite interesting I think.


Another interesting video was an episode of "UFO Hunters", with radio transmissions of an incident:



Or this one:



Enjoy. If nothing else, it's good fun to watch. Watch out for the Bill guy of UFO hunters though (the one with the sun glasses). He's pretty far out there.

[onelifecrisis]

Thanks!

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by heartc

The in-cockpit shots are clearly from the backseat of an F-15D, or maybe an F-15E, and not of any MiG whatsoever.

Well it's not an ACES II ejection seat that both the F-15D and F-15E used, as the bodies of the seats bear no resemblance to it, save for the






It looks more to me like a Zvezda K-36D-3-5 LT trainer ejection seat, minus the coverings with the pitot tubes (the things sticking out of the sides) adjusted (they can be anywhere to a 45* angle). For those who don't know anything about them, they have three modes to measure air pressure differences to determine velocity, to select the manner of ejection in the MiG-21's selection system:

• Mode 1: low altitude, low speed - Mode 1 is for ejections at speeds of less than 250 knots and altitudes of less than 15,000 feet. The drogue parachute doesn't deploy in mode 1.
• Mode 2: low altitude, high speed - Mode 2 is for ejections at speeds of more than 250 knots and altitudes of less than 15,000 feet.
• Mode 3: high altitude, any speed - Mode 3 is selected for any ejection at an altitude greater than 15,000 feet.

There's also one outside of the cockpit mounted on the forward fuselage on some models. This pic is of a typical 36D-3-5.

Originally Posted by heartc

The "cigar" shaped object is probably an airliner, tanker, target drone, or what have you.

How was it able to accelerate so quickly, nevermind stay aloft with no visible engines or wings?

Originally Posted by heartc

Also, the MiG-21s taking of in the beginning of the video is a quite familiar scene to me, I've seen it often over the years in different documentaries.

First time I'd seen it.

[heartc]

With your pictures, you're looking at the front of the seat, not the rear, like in the video.

http://www.cockpits.net/website/imag...reenshot13.jpg

The above is admittedly from a flightsim (F4), but is accurate. Actually, it's a photo copy.

http://vishnufafat.files.wordpress.c...-f15-eagle.jpg

The above is the real thing.

And this is what is in the video. Notice the 3 "circles" visible on the back of the seat. Notice the analog compass on the front cockpit frame, when looking just past the right side of the front seat, etc.
It is NOT a MiG cockpit in any way, shape or form. It is the backseat of an F-15 D or E. Trust me, I've been into aviation since 15 years now.

Also, the MiGs that are taking of in the beginning of the video are single seat MiG-21. Not only is that visibly so, but double seat MiG-21 are pretty rare, since they are trainers and they would not scramble on a live intercept mission. Also, it is pretty clear to see that the camera / picture quality is totally different and from a different time period than the cockpit shots.

In addition, take a step back and ask yourself how the hell would they just happen to have a camera man at the runway to film that *scramble* flight taking of, and just happen to have fancy cameras on the planes that look backward etc? These are very obviously archive shots from a prepared and directed documentary. Probably for military purposes originally (training, aircraft familiarization / presentation, etc.) and then later they were put into all kinds of documentaries. I've seen those scenes many times, as I said.

To your other points: How the hell do they come to those hilarious conclusions re speeds and accelerations?? The F-15 is in a right hand turn. The "Object" - let's call it plane, because it damn sure looks like one - is viewed from its side, that's why you can't make out the wings. It is traveling at a roughly 90° course to the F-15, i.e. across the nose of the F15, i.e. the F-15 is about to cross its course while passing behind it, while it keeps moving forward on its own course and out of view. I actually don't see any actual acceleration going on at all. If anything, the vid is somewhat in slow motion, and can easily be sped up and down etc. It's also damn difficult to suggest any range to the object from the blurry video - especially if you *do* assume it is not a tanker / airline type plane, thus do not know its dimensions, how the hell are you measuring the range to it from that video so that you can conclude the speed at which it is moving?

In short: The video is a total hoax - or rather: The story as presented is a total hoax and the video clips have nothing to do with it and there's nothing out of the ordinary to see in them. Of course you need to darken out the "witnesses" to make it look like they're in danger for talking, to give the whole thing more credibility lol.

Really, that's what I hate about the whole UFO phenomenon: There's so much crap out there, some done extremely poor like this one - at least to the trained eye - and some other done very well, that in the end it clouds what might be actual incidents and gives a bad rep to people who are trying to figure out what is behind them.

[TLAM Strike]

The UFO from a different angle.



informationdissemination.net thinks it maybe have been the Chinese Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile test promised as part of their current naval war games.

[Platapus]

The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified".

I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified".

I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later.

Those would be Pidgeons pooping upon thy head.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Those would be Pidgeons pooping upon thy head.

ewww Thanks a lot for identifying them.