This story got me thinking about life after death

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Without wanting to slam into you, Castout - all the things you claim to know in the above - in the end you just described what you believe that you know. Believed knowledge is no knowledge, but belief.

However, if you think it eases your life, and the volume of your music does not bring the neighbourhood into arms - it's your party.

It;s okay Skybird,
I'm very liberal in writing that and I knew I took considerable risk.
There's a big difference between just believing and knowing what you believe in and believed knowledge.

You see I know what death is but the thing is even if I told anyone I know what death is they would not accept it readily since there is no way for them to verify that at least not by themselves. Actually there's a way but heck if people couldn't accept what is written by holy men some hundreds years ago that's bound into a book called the bible why would they listen to me but I would still tell them NOT because I want to convince anyone but because I know that that is the truth.

The same thing with me knowing that God exists. I would still tell anyone literally anyone that I know God exists and took considerable risk in saying that NOT because I want people to believe anything but because that is the truth. And that I don't need people to believe me I just need people to read what I share liberally.


Of course it goes without saying I don't reveal everything that I know of. Those things that verified for me that what I know is right and correct. Because I don't think people are even more willing to hear that or could accept that but mostly because those are for me to know primarily and not for anyone else to believe. I'm even liberal enough to actually write this.

In the end it's not my wish to offend or to argue with anyone but I'm hoping that it could serve at least as a memory of that perspective that couldn't fit in into the concept of the reader lives and perhaps that would be enough a reminder somewhat somewhere sometime in the future when something big enough oddities came or a crisis came into their life and knock the balance of their current belief system. Even if these words are forgotten in the next 5 minutes because I know it would be somewhere in the subconsciousness, forgotten but not entirely lost and I do this not because I'm convicted by my beliefs but because I'm convicted by my knowing(ledge)

[onelifecrisis]

Life after death is an oxymoron.

[TarJak]

Dreams are dreams, life is life, death is death.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Life after death is an oxymoron.

Ummm that's what the bible teaches actually

What I found surprising is that the mainstream Christian not knowing the teaching of the bible and what Jesus promised about raising them up from death: on THE last day and not on your each last day. He repeated this several times in his speeches which now gets ignored. The current concept of life after death and immediate punishment and reward is actually more alike to a Greek version of Utopia and Hades.

The Catholic teaching came up with a weird over complicated thing of particular judgment(immediate judgment) and because they can't ignore the bible completely the last judgment too. I've searched the bible looking for clues and found many references to the latter including numerous made by St. Paul and ONLY one which seem to talk about the possibility of immediate judgment(I don't count inconclusive texts to prevent from speculating and guessing) which I admit it made me doubt the authenticity of the origin of that particular text that is the story of the beggar called Lazarus who lived in front of the rich man's house. It's the only and really only one single text that seems to support immediate judgment while many many many others(in fact ALL OTHERS) from both the old and new testament seem to only teach about the last judgment. Anyway if you're interested in my little finding which is nothing new I guess, feel free to PM me with your email and I'll email the doc to you. I found the scriptures to be fascinating ever since I looked it up in search of death to verify what was revealed.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Dreams are dreams, life is life, death is death.

and God is God

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Life after death is an oxymoron.

Originally Posted by Castout

Ummm that's what the bible teaches actually

And your point is?

[onelifecrisis]

@Platapus

No point

Originally Posted by Castout

Ummm that's what the bible teaches actually

Heh, I didn't know that. Though little surprises me when it comes to religion.

A Muslim (actually a secular daughter of a Muslim immigrant) told me that the part of the Qur'an that says a man can have several wives was added after some war that cut the male population down to almost nothing. I dunno if that's true, but it certainly sounds more plausible than God (Allah) telling a blind man to write it down!

Personally I reckon most religious texts have been altered and re-interpreted dozens of times over the millennia.

[Geno_Mariner]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Personally I reckon most religious texts have been altered and re-interpreted dozens of times over the millennia.

I reckon that too. My parents are Christians, so I used to get stuck with reading these Bibles and saw different versions. I used to be 100% into this faith til several years ago. I just don't know what's true and what's not, lol. (Oh and the bible contains contradictions too... ) Too many religions in this world and too many different ideas. (I liked the story of how Arabian Horses came to be... and I own a Pure Arabian).

And about all of this afterlife stuff... there is an afterlife. And I believe it depends on how much you believe in it. The more you believe in it, the higher in the spirit plane you will go and the better it will be. If you're a negative/evil person, you'll end up in the negative/lower plane. No fire or anything, just miserable existence on the other side. Though that can change, if I can try and get my hands on a few books from people who claim to have "Near-Death experiences" such as that man who "was in Heaven for 90 minutes" (I believe the video I viewed in church years ago is a fabrication...).
However, this kind of topic requires you to have an open mind and just... think about it. Everyone's views are different, you can take ideas and assimilate it as your own belief or just leave it as is. As far as knowledge goes on this topic, there's not much definite information (that's what I believe anyway...). I'm always happy to see what people think, because I'm just like that I have no interest in clashing with beliefs or such.

As for the presence of a greater celestial being, I believe there is one but it has no definite name and no definite gender (seriously, how can you Christians tell "God" is a man? O_o I have my ideas on how this came to be, but like I said, I don't wanna clash/step on toes). It's just the Alpha and the Omega, with other beings doing their specific job such as bringing life, moderating life, and taking life when it is time.

Just my ideas, it does change over time but there are some that remains

[longam]

Free will, its the hardest thing to control.

Faith, its the hardest thing to believe.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

It;s okay Skybird,
I'm very liberal in writing that and I knew I took considerable risk.
There's a big difference between just believing and knowing what you believe in and believed knowledge.

You see I know what death is but the thing is even if I told anyone I know what death is they would not accept it readily since there is no way for them to verify that at least not by themselves. Actually there's a way but heck if people couldn't accept what is written by holy men some hundreds years ago that's bound into a book called the bible why would they listen to me but I would still tell them NOT because I want to convince anyone but because I know that that is the truth.

The same thing with me knowing that God exists. I would still tell anyone literally anyone that I know God exists and took considerable risk in saying that NOT because I want people to believe anything but because that is the truth. And that I don't need people to believe me I just need people to read what I share liberally.


Of course it goes without saying I don't reveal everything that I know of. Those things that verified for me that what I know is right and correct. Because I don't think people are even more willing to hear that or could accept that but mostly because those are for me to know primarily and not for anyone else to believe. I'm even liberal enough to actually write this.

In the end it's not my wish to offend or to argue with anyone but I'm hoping that it could serve at least as a memory of that perspective that couldn't fit in into the concept of the reader lives and perhaps that would be enough a reminder somewhat somewhere sometime in the future when something big enough oddities came or a crisis came into their life and knock the balance of their current belief system. Even if these words are forgotten in the next 5 minutes because I know it would be somewhere in the subconsciousness, forgotten but not entirely lost and I do this not because I'm convicted by my beliefs but because I'm convicted by my knowing(ledge)

Your claims of what you know - are beliefs, not knowledge. Knowledge can be shown to others, it can be taken, checked and analysed, verified or falsified, proven right or wrong. None of that you can do with your claims on death and gods and religious statements.

Don't try to raise support by claiming rational thinking for religious beliefs like some people try to claim that science actually supports religious superstition or nonsense, like for example some fundis claim that "science is supporting creationism" - trying that onyl shows a very huge lack of understanding of scientific methodology and rationals.

Or in other wordS: evidence, please. Prove it. Just saying that you know, is not good enough. Prove it, or keep it your private thing. Because even your assurance that what you believe is the truth, in the end is just this: your strong belief. that's where religion and belief belong anyway- in the private, because your relation to the object of your belief is your own most private and intimate thing. where you think you must favour others by going public with it all, or worse: wanting to make others believe the same, you turn from being spiritual in your understanding, towards being powerpolitical.

[kiwi_2005]

God is real, Jesus Christ is real. Better for a man to believe than one that don't only to die and find out He is real, but if believers are wrong then die what punishment will they face? .

The good ole big bang theory proves their is a God. The big bang theory is more an illusion than believing that there is a God. Well ya see it all happened with a Bang! And the universe was created out of nothing? God is a Mathematician he put up the riddle of the universe so he can sit back and chuckle to himself when the scientist scratches his head trying to figure out something that only God knows the answer. Yet the straight forward answer to the riddle is in the bible on the first page! In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Created man equal, created woman for man, and man for woman as in Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Yeah its very hard for non believers to believe that their is someone far more intelligent/powerful than any man / woman could imagine. And theres no shame in that its not their fault they find it difficult to believe. What a man doesn't believe he will usually knock down. Like i have just done with the big bang theory

No offense intended.

[Skybird]

And more unproven hear-say.

The one ting I learned, slowly, is that trying to rationally discuss with believers about the object of their belief, is absolutely useless, pointless, fruitless, because every rational argument, ever logical conclusion, even every solid undeniable evidence in the end gets rejected by saying: "Well, but I believe it all is different. That's my belief. evidence, logic, a process of falsification or varification does not interest me, because I know that what I believe is the truth anyway. and I know it is true because my holy book tells me that it is true."

This is strange becaseu everybody understanding the basic methdology of science knows that serious science never makes absolute statements about "truths", but only developes hypothesis, theories, at best: paradigms of mostly limited ruabiliuty, on the absis of what has been observed and put tgether in empirical evidence. Nevertheless it gets often accused of stating something as if it is engraved in stone. I admit soemtimes academics give the appearance as if they are doing right this, but that is no good habit in science, for science only says: "this is our best possible current conclusion on the absis of ehat we have been able to find out so far." - On the other hand, religion is all about unchecked, unverifiable, dogmatic statements whose original authors cannot be asked anymore, issued in absolute terms that claim eternal truth and validity as if this claim would be the most natural thing. Religion and science could not be more different, the absurdity of the religious attack on science over accusation to practice what religion with great fanatism practicses itself, is most absurd.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Yet the straight forward answer to the riddle is in the bible on the first page! In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Created man equal, created woman for man, and man for woman as in Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

oh god
i really hope this post is a joke

[August]

"There can be only one" ooops wrong movie, erm uh...


"Death is but the beginning"

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

God is real, Jesus Christ is real. Better for a man to believe than one that don't only to die and find out He is real, but if believers are wrong then die what punishment will they face? .

I prophecise that when people die, anyone who didn't give me £100 GBP will go to hell for eternity.

Now, I don't know about you, but I reckon that £100 is a small price to pay just to be sure. You know, just in case I'm right. So when you've thought about it and decided you agree, PM me and I'll let you know the account number.