Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I think globally there are bigger problems even in relation to freedom of speech or act then having hand guns.

So you agree with me then?

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

our society is facing a lot of more pressing issues i think than anything relating to guns. and those more pressing issues should be dealt with.

onelifecrisis · 06-30-10, 02:21 PM

I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

CaptainHaplo · 06-30-10, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

I have to agree that the "because I want one" arguement doesn't cut it. I want a few million dollars, so maybe bank robbery should be legalized? I thought not. The right to bear arms is specifically protected for the right of self defence - against an overeaching government, as well as personal defence of life and property (though the property part has over time weakened).

Sailor Steve · 06-30-10, 05:18 PM

Actually it's the "rape" argument that doesn't really cut it. Some people like to hurt other people. That doesn't make it right or legal. But if someone wants to own a gun just because they like to go to the range and shoot, that "doesn't cut it"? Who are you to tell me what hobbies I can enjoy? Owning and shooting a gun in and of itself doesn't hurt anyone or deny any of their basic rights. Misuse of a weapon is already as illegal as misuse of superior body strength to hurt someone.

In this particular example the one has nothing to do with the other.

tater · 06-30-10, 05:42 PM

I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

If they repeal the second amendment you will probably have a civil war in America, even if they do it through legal channels.

too many people support it.

FIREWALL · 06-30-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

If they repeal the second amendment you will probably have a civil war in America, even if they do it through legal channels.

too many people support it.

If such a thing as a repeal were even tried a less drastic solution such as recalls and impeachment would be a likely result.

onelifecrisis · 07-01-10, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Owning and shooting a gun in and of itself doesn't hurt anyone.

Neither does shooting nukes at asteroids. Should I be allowed to buy nukes and missiles for that purpose, if I have the money?

07-01-10, 02:02 AM

If there are to be no restrictions on owning a firearm doesn't that mean convicts and lunatics must be allowed to buy them.

onelifecrisis · 07-01-10, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

If there are to be no restrictions on owning a firearm doesn't that mean convicts and lunatics must be allowed to buy them.

Lunatics are already allowed to buy them in the US. Insane is okay, but they draw the line at criminally insane.

(go to 1:30)

gimpy117 · 07-02-10, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

If there are to be no restrictions on owning a firearm doesn't that mean convicts and lunatics must be allowed to buy them.

Cho...the Virginia tech shooter actually was in a mental health institution yet LEGALLY obtained his guns via a technicality in the law. And the rest, is history.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/gun.laws/index.html

06-30-10, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So you agree with me then?

Well you probably think that the government should just forget about guns and that this equals "guns not being important". You know, guns everywhere, cops being all confused about who the bad guys are.

Jimbuna · 06-30-10, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So you agree with me then?

Have you been drinking John or are you simply feeding scraps to a troll?

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Have you been drinking John or are you simply feeding scraps to a troll?

He is surely starving?

wasnt there a lengthy stay in the brig involved?

06-30-10, 05:18 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Actually it's the "rape" argument that doesn't really cut it. Some people like to hurt other people. That doesn't make it right or legal. But if someone wants to own a gun just because they like to go to the range and shoot, that "doesn't cut it"? Who are you to tell me what hobbies I can enjoy? Owning and shooting a gun in and of itself doesn't hurt anyone or deny any of their basic rights. Misuse of a weapon is already as illegal as misuse of superior body strength to hurt someone. In this particular example the one has nothing to do with the other. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

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06-30-10, 02:21 PM	#2
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

06-30-10, 05:42 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

07-01-10, 02:02 AM	#9
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If there are to be no restrictions on owning a firearm doesn't that mean convicts and lunatics must be allowed to buy them.