Muhammad's ball, or: what Islam has done to the French National Team

[MH]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Send them back to where they came from.

No let them all emigrate to Europe.

Originally Posted by MH

No let them all emigrate to Europe.

They've already done that. Now they can emigrate right back to where they came from.

(See my sig).

[MH]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

They've already done that. Now they can emigrate right back to where they came from.

(See my sig).

Why whats wrong with that picture?

The map looks like a left-winger's dream come true.

It's not too late to stop that, . . . . yet.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

The map looks like a left-winger's dream come true.

It's not too late to stop that, . . . . yet.

Originally Posted by Snestorm

The map looks like a left-winger's dream come true.

It's not too late to stop that, . . . . yet.

Just watch out in the progress. Or they might call you a worst enemy of your own state .......

Isn't it supreme irony when two Jewish members from a country that is highly dependant on immigration and has been since its first proposal are having a laugh with a real anti immigrant who has this thing about racial purity of the supreme nordic aryan race and the threat impurity of blood poses to the blond haired blue eyed people.

BTW Demitiri you were called the worst enemy of your own state because you support views that even the head of Mossad says are harmful to the state.

[Foxtrot]

In other news (which should not go under your radar birdy )

Leftists harass Muslims for supporting Germany

Leftist anarchists in Berlin have reportedly been harassing Muslim immigrants showing their support for the German football team during the World Cup, tearing down national flags and even setting one on fire.

Here they have made a point of destroying and removing Germany flags hanging outside shops and vehicles because they believe the proud patriotism hearkens back to the ugly nationalism of the Third Reich, the paper said.

A group calling itself "Kommando Kevin-Prince Boateng" posted a notice on the website Indymedia calling on leftists to “capture” all Germany flags across the country. The name refers to the Berlin-born footballer, who is playing for Ghana at the world cup and knocked German team captain Michael Ballack out of the tournament with a brutal foul in the FA Cup final in May.

One Arab-German family has sparked their ire by hanging a giant Germany flag on their Sonnenallee building in support of the football team during the World Cup.

Ibrahim Bassal, who owns a mobile phone shop in the district, told daily Berliner Morgenpost on Saturday that since he and his cousin hoisted the flag they have had several uncomfortable encounters with the local leftists.

“During the day people from the left-wing scene come by and insult us,” Bassal said. “Am I not allowed to be proud of Germany?”

Bassal and his cousin Badr Mohammed, a well-known conservative Christian Democratic Berlin politician who lives in the same building, worked together to get the 20-metre-long flag, which cost them €500.

In recent days the situation has escalated, with the anarchists attempting to remove the flag four times and even setting it on fire, the paper reported. On one occasion a group managed to gain access to the roof of the building and cut the flag down.

Last Friday evening some 16 people dressed in typical black anarchist garb confronted Bassal in his shop, and the mood was tense, the paper said.

After Germany’s World Cup victory over Ghana last week Bassal reportedly stayed up to look after his shop until 4 am.

“They see us as immigrants,” he said. “They don’t understand that Germans who aren’t from Germany would defend Germany.”

Both Bassal and Mohammed told Berliner Morgenpost that they are incredulous they have to defend hanging a German flag to native Germans.

Though the store owner’s entire family have been citizens for many years, the leftists believe immigrants must remain foreigners, he added.

Meanwhile many of the residents of Arab or Turkish descent who live in the multicultural district are defending the huge flag and continuing to show their support, the paper reported.

The family has organised nighttime surveillance of the flag with neighbours to prevent further attacks, they said.

“We won’t let our pride be taken away,” Bassal and Mohammed said.

But according to Der Tagesspiegel, Bassal has decided to remove the flag and hoist it only on days when there is a Germany match. Meanwhile other residents told the paper they were taking special care not to leave their flags unattended.

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100628-28147.html

Now in which group are we going to put these folks? Should we also send them back as a couple of posters in this thread pointed out?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Isn't it supreme irony when two Jewish members from a country that is highly dependant on immigration and has been since its first proposal are having a laugh with a real anti immigrant who has this thing about racial purity of the supreme nordic aryan race and the threat impurity of blood poses to the blond haired blue eyed people.

BTW Demitiri you were called the worst enemy of your own state because you support views that even the head of Mossad says are harmful to the state.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Seriusly...i personally realize that there are many kinds of people(Muslim) as i live in Jerusalem.(half of Jerusalem is Arab"s)
The problem is that its impossible to deal with trouble makers without hell braking lose about racism.
As some of you don't want to be labeled as antisemitic when criticizing Israel why you label someone as racist when doing the same with Arabs?
There are many examples of that here in Israel regarding Israeli Palestinians(the ones that live inside 67 Israel-don't want to be part of Palestinian state-just trust me on that) and lefties as well.
Some times people trying to be right(left) or idealistic at all coast and lose sense of reality.
I'm not saying also that I'm not suspicious of Israeli Palestinians as whole.
I admit I'm.
I'm afraid that when **** hits the fun here for real and they sense weakness on Israeli side we will have here whole kind of new "intifada".
I hope I'm wrong here but well...thats my feeling and i think its quite realistic but is it racist?

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Isn't it supreme irony when two Jewish members from a country that is highly dependant on immigration and has been since its first proposal are having a laugh with a real anti immigrant who has this thing about racial purity of the supreme nordic aryan race and the threat impurity of blood poses to the blond haired blue eyed people.

BTW Demitiri you were called the worst enemy of your own state because you support views that even the head of Mossad says are harmful to the state.

You realy are at a loss when people's actions don't fit into your preconcieved picturebook, aren't you?

Just for the record, I consider myself scandinavian, not "aryan".

I believe that people have a right to their own homeland.
(Can you see some common ground here, Tribesman?)

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by MH

Why whats wrong with that picture?

There are about 13 million Muslims in the EU...out of a total population of about 500 million.

They constitute 2.6 % of the population! Run for the hills!

Anyway, who cares where immigrants are from or what they think about their new country?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

There are about 13 million Muslims in the EU...out of a total population of about 500 million.

They constitute 2.6 % of the population! Run for the hills!

Check birthrates.

Anyway, who cares where immigrants are from or what they think about their new country?

You certainly don't.

Again,
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171110

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Check birthrates.

Birthrates seem to be declining among immigrants.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/mus...urope.aspx?p=1

You certainly don't.

Ok, why should anyone care? As long as they're law-abiding, why should anyone care how immigrants feel about their new country or which religion they subscribe to?

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Birthrates seem to be declining among immigrants.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/mus...urope.aspx?p=1

Well, having one child more per woman than the rest still causes a shift in the overall population.

I also love this little thing:

The gap narrowed even further in the former West Germany, where the authors relied on data by mother's nationality rather than religion

Isn't that nice? So if a Muslim woman is native German her birth rate will be counted to the German side which of course then closes the gap between not native German Muslims and "all the rest" (with plenty of Muslims with a German passport). That's a way to make a statistic look nice.

Ok, why should anyone care? As long as they're law-abiding, why should anyone care how immigrants feel about their new country or which religion they subscribe to?

And if some of them openly declare war on your values and way of life? And what if this certain group is known to cause more criminals as any other ethnicity in your country? There has just been a nice report here from our police that finally gave some inside into criminal behaviour and religion. The more devout male Muslim juveniles were the more likely they became violent. They were also way more often violent than any other ethnic group in Germany.
Would you just want to sit back and see what will happen in the future, or would you want to keep a close eye on that and do something (non violent) about it?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Birthrates seem to be declining among immigrants.

http://www.prb.org/Articles/2008/mus...urope.aspx?p=1

Again, I refer to Gunnar Heihnsohn's general (and stictly empirical) work. There are differences between birthrates of certain ethnic migrants, and native europeans, as well as there are differences between social high class and social low class mothers in Germany. that'S why in general more and more social wellfare children get born

Ok, why should anyone care? As long as they're law-abiding, why should anyone care how immigrants feel about their new country or which religion they subscribe to?

Because we do not and must not want our homecountry being turned into an extension of their foreign place, and we also must not want to constly needing to adress special demands and special interests of a loud yelling minority that is bullying and intimidating the majorty. Abuse of the social wellfare system, lacking will of integration (even actively rejecting it), massive overrepresentation of certain (not all!) ethnicities in crime statistics (mainly Muslim ethnicities, whereas for example Japanese and Koreans are underrepresented (if standardising), all this makes a difference between muslim migration groups, and non-Muslim migration groups.

Originally Posted by AngusJS

If your values are so important, make laws to protect them. Until then, I don't see why other people have to follow them. And do all ethnic Germans even have the same values in the first place?

This says a lot about you, mainly about your lack of cultural identity and awareness of the history that formed yourself and the place that raised you.

Laws we have aplenty, and we have so many that we even got losse din the junbgle of laws and have laws contradicting other laws.

Laws can get ignored, by cirminals as well as different ethnicities foeign to the ruling culture of a place. This is our home country, our history that formed it, our cultural tradition. We have the right to say it is that, and foreigners coming here have no right to demand that we must chnage it all so that it matches the demands of that foreign place they come from. That simple, either you get that, or you don't. The values of for example Pakistani culture, are values valid in pakistan. Germany or Eurppe have no obligation whatever to take them into account inside the european "home". If Pakistani moving to eurpe do nhot liike that, they are free and highly welcomed to pack their things and mve the hell out of here, back to where they came from. If their homeplace is so wonderful - why have they even come here?

And what exactly is your way of life?

Oh ddear, now you want us to tell you who you are, why you are that, nd where you have cokme from, eh? If you can't even see that different cultures have different ways of liing and different values that formed up during history, then it really makes no sense to discuss such thigns with you. Becasue you do not know who you are, and where you come from. no wonder that you are unable and unwilling to defend both any identity and cultural history and find it pretty much okay to embrace the foreign clture uncritically as if it were your own, since always. yu may not liike it, but there are differences between cultures. And cultures are absolutely not of the same worth when copmoared to each other. some are more precious than others, some are more humane and advanced in ethical or moral qualities than others. It is considered to be politically uncorrect to say so, but it simply is the truth.

As to crime, I'm sure ethnic Germans account for the vast majority of it in Germany.

that is almost discimnation hat yousay, becasue you throw all ethnicities into the same pot and label the ones that are underrepresented in crime statistics as of the same criminality than those that are overrepresented. the simple trutzh is that e have plenty of prpbpems with muslim ethnic groups, and almost none with for example Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, North or South americans, Europeans, non-Muslim Africans. There is no use in wanting to hide that. Insiders of the security sectors, from policemen to warehouse detectives, also confirm that. In the past I worked in a department store for some years, all the rehouse detecives there came from an agency that exlcusievly emplyed migrants from the middle East area strange that no German considered that to be discrimination of Germans...). Even these detectives, with whom dealt every day I were at work, and coming from places like Turkey, Syria, Iran, admitted that the difference betwene their Muslim "clients" and native germans are immense. That starts with the numerical comparison of incidents involving Muslim thives and non-Muslims thieves, and eneded with the reafiness to turn violent and use physical force to escape. for eyxaple, when they caught a native german boy or woman or whomever, they usually approached them alone, maybe in coordination with one emplyee of the department store, but usually the first approach was made by one man alone. If they saw that the deal with an ethnic boy whose looks implied that he might be from the ME region, they called at least 2 collegaues from neighbouring stores before approaching him. And I repeatedly witbessed that it all turned into a violent mess, and worst verbal insults anyway.

There are differences - and extremely significant ones. It is just not wanted to talk aboiut them - they are violating the consensus of that all emigrants are noble and valuable and respectable. But that is not true. Statistics show that, and everyday life experience shows that.

And could environment and class be a factor in explaining the minority crime rate?

When the author of a statistic work has statistically excluded such factors, no. But your argument gets fired nevertheless, to trouble the water and disguise unwelcomed truths in a smokescreen of distractive statements and manipulative claims.