Interesting Thesis

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Hey, i tried the whole double wide thing for a while there it was all i could afford.

but it wasnt for me... always room for improvement IMHO.

Not that I'd be talking down to people who live in a trailer. I live in a rental home, also because I can't afford anything else. But are you still in a trailer that you pay for with state benefits or are you pilot who owns his own flight school? I think we already see eye to eye on this.

of course despite what a couple of people here might tell you, i wasnt picking on blacks of course... you know that

Well...yeah. Sorry if I implied otherwise, somehow. I just thought you had a question and I tried to answer it. I guess I thought that since you were fascinated by the idea it might mean that you don't understand it, so I gave you my perspective. Maybe I read into it too much.

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Meanwhile instead of sloganizing, I really do wish that Americans from both sides of the spectrum focus on getting their country on a constitutionally-sound track.

I'm sure we'll get around to that just as soon as everyone agrees on what the Constitution actually means, which is on our list of "Things We're Likely to Do" just below "Cure Death and Taxes"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

edit- I'm sure we'll get around to that just as soon as everyone agrees on what the Constitution actually means, which is on our list of "Things We're Likely to Do" just below "Cure Death and Taxes"

There has never been a time when everyone agreed on what the Constitution actually means, nor do I ever believe there will be a time when everyone will agree.

I would hazard a guess that even the founding fathers did not all agree on what it meant and they wrote the damn thing!

[AngusJS]

I got to the third paragraph, where I came across this gem:

This will enable the Obama dictatorship to take off its humanist mask and put its true agenda into play...

And you say it leans slightly to the right? How about it dives straight down into bat**** crazy?

Seriously, these people need to get a grip.

Set Congress ablaze, and people across the country would cheer, slap hands, and drive around beeping their horns at each other.

Nice to see the author doesn't care about losing a national monument, and potentially hundreds of innocent people, as well as putting hundreds of firefighters at risk.

And the author forgot the main reason why our "dictator" won't be calling off the election: he's not so unhinged as the author to even consider such an idea worthy of reflection.

Seriously, if this is slightly right-leaning, where is the base? Off in the woods on maneuvers with their militias?

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

The president is already holding border security hostage, committing treason by saying "If i secure the border, republicans wont have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform"

When has he said that, and how is it treason?

Oh, and looking further into that blog, I saw that they reposted a long article about Obama and Rahm Emmanuel being members of a gay club in Chicago.

Words fail me.

[GoldenRivet]

I have a lot of typing to do...

standby

[GoldenRivet]

Ok...

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Not that I'd be talking down to people who live in a trailer.

Wouldn't dream of it

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I live in a rental home, also because I can't afford anything else. But are you still in a trailer that you pay for with state benefits or are you pilot who owns his own flight school? I think we already see eye to eye on this.

correct we do see eye to eye... of course the trailer was actually quite nice for its age, and then again it wasnt one of those federally funded ones. this one was $400 / month if mammory serves

of course... im flat broke because im a pilot who owns his own flight school

true

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Well...yeah. Sorry if I implied otherwise, somehow. I just thought you had a question and I tried to answer it.

your response was not only adequate, it was also eloquent, appropriate... and appreciated

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

edit- I'm sure we'll get around to that just as soon as everyone agrees on what the Constitution actually means, which is on our list of "Things We're Likely to Do" just below "Cure Death and Taxes"

lets settle taxes and constitutionality first... or else it could be the death of us.

Originally Posted by AngusJS

When has he said that

When and where and Who

Originally Posted by AngusJS

and how is it treason?

The President as the Commander in Chief of the military as well as the United States Congress both have many responsibilities.

among them is defending our soil from foreign aggression.

many argue that heavily armed foreigners (be they military or civilian) routinely undermining national sovereignty by sneaking into the united states for the purposes of proliferation of illegal weapons, human trafficking, drug and drug paraphernalia smuggling and murder / kidnapping constitutes "foreign aggression"

in the opinion of some circles... this failure to act on his responsibilities constitutes treason.

See: Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "actions which help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

[Ducimus]

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

When and where and Who

I'd like a better source than that, one that gave the context of the conversation.

Anyway, a foreign government is not involved, and illegal immigration != aggression, nor does illegal immigration mean overthrowing the government. Crime associated with illegal immigration is not aggression. Also, not taking action does not mean the intention is to cause harm.

And by your logic, EVERY president has been guilty of treason since illegal immigration took off.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Anyway, a foreign government is not involved, and illegal immigration != aggression, nor does illegal immigration mean overthrowing the government.

Correct, correct and correct again Angus... your starting to get it... now here you go.

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Crime associated with illegal immigration is not aggression.

Ahhh... theres the rub.

you see, you and I disagree... we're not talking about illegals are we?

No... we are talking about squad to platoon sized groups armed with fully automatic weapons who come in - and out - of the united states.

In with drugs, weapons, and illegal paraphernalia.

out with kidnapping victims etc.

if thats not aggression - eff me... i dont know what is brother.

I dont know how anyone could label it otherwise???

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I would hazard a guess that even the founding fathers did not all agree on what it meant and they wrote the damn thing!

No need to guess. There is plenty of evidence. They were playing it by ear, and several of the most famous would be called flaming liberals today.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No need to guess. There is plenty of evidence. They were playing it by ear, and several of the most famous would be called flaming liberals today.

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