"Crafted to boost hispanic representation..."

wow, its an old and well used system which gives results more like proportional representation.
That is absolutely shocking.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

wow, its an old and well used system which gives results more like proportional representation.
That is absolutely shocking.

It's completely shocking.

I'm a german-swedish-irish-french american. If my "kind" is not exactly represented in congress, I deserve extra votes!

Nonsense.

There are no "hispanic" voters in the US. There are only AMERICAN voters. What your surname happens to be, or what tone your skin is is meaningless. One man, one vote. Man, as in mankind, Homo sapiens. Any other silly distinctions are just that, silly.

[Ducimus]

>>There are only AMERICAN voters


Yeah, ill never understand why people hyphenate themselves. I've never liked it when people fly a foreign flag over/on top of/instead of, the US flag. If they're so proud of that country, WTF are they doing here then? Seems like for awhile now, there hasn't been much intergration. Just self segregation and drawing of lines. Honestly im surpised this is happening in NY and not CA. Then again, Hispanic probably already IS the majority vote here.

[Tchocky]

Psh. It's just a voting system.

[GoldenRivet]

and yet there continue to be those American's who will just sleep right through this too.

America... you're still snoozing.





how hard do they have to shake your bed?

[Pioneer]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

>>There are only AMERICAN voters


Yeah, ill never understand why people hyphenate themselves. I've never liked it when people fly a foreign flag over/on top of/instead of, the US flag. If they're so proud of that country, WTF are they doing here then? .

Side issue: I fly my home country and US flag side by side because I haven't earned the right YET to be considered USAmerican. I can't vote because I legally immigrated, sat outside the country until my paperwork was processed, agreed to a higher standard of laws that citizens, and have a waiting period of 7 years.

I love my new country, and will stand shoulder to shoulder in defense, but this vote is an atrocity.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Pioneer

I love my new country, and will stand shoulder to shoulder in defense, but this vote is an atrocity.

Please explain why you think it is an atrocity? That's a pretty strong word.

[Zachstar]

Another topic meant to start right wingers screaming. How shocking on SubSim *Rolleyes*

Its ALL voters and the only thing it does is increase the total number of votes overall. Costs more to count but hardly controversial.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Another topic meant to start right wingers screaming. How shocking on SubSim *Rolleyes*

Its ALL voters and the only thing it does is increase the total number of votes overall. Costs more to count but hardly controversial.

It's extremely controversial, and should be.

Any voting system designed to affect a particular voting outcome is WRONG, period.

One man, one vote.

Yet one man several votes is used in many places and in many circumsatances, its not like its new as its been used in America for well over 100 years.

There are no "hispanic" voters in the US. There are only AMERICAN voters.

Tell that to the Americans.
But you are wrong anyway as there are lots of non-American voters and lots of hispanic voters too. It all depends on the election in question, and like cumalative voting it is as old as the hills.

If my "kind" is not exactly represented in congress, I deserve extra votes!

Representation?????didn't you lot have a revolution over that
Besides which it isn't someone getting extra votes as everyone gets the same amount.

[Skybird]

Just to be sure I get it right: first I thought that only some people - Hispanics - would get six votes, while other stay with one, but that first ipression was wrong yes? ALL voters no matter their district and ethnicity get six votes, yes?

Okay, way to make things complicated over fears of lacking political correctness, but despite being idiotic, one could live with the method. Just that judges think they must mess around with the outcome of elections because the results are not the wanted ones - that one would worry me.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just to be sure I get it right: first I thought that only some people - Hispanics - would get six votes, while other stay with one, but that first ipression was wrong yes? ALL voters no matter their district and ethnicity get six votes, yes?

As far as I can se it, yes.

But it's much more fun to think that minorities are getting lots more votes.-

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just that judges think they must mess around with the outcome of elections because the results are not the wanted ones - that one would worry me.

What other motive could there be? Putting extra vote counters in work?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

wow, its an old and well used system which gives results more like proportional representation.
That is absolutely shocking.

Ever the contrarian, Tribesman Just because it's been used before doesn't make it right or any more acceptable. I swear, there are times when I think that the only reason you're here is to try to get a reaction out of people. What's with that, man?

Originally Posted by tater

Any voting system designed to affect a particular voting outcome is WRONG, period.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Thats wrong whichever way you look at it

And here again. Really, wtf? If you're so much better than everyone else that you don't deign it necessary to stoop to our level and offer anything other than insulting remarks then maybe we're not the right crowd for you.

tater has a very legitimate concern given the context and I think he'd benefit a lot more from some actual enlightenment than from a condescending remark. But you don't give a s*** about that, do you?

This is Neal's site, and I do not have the capacity to act as his representative, so far be it from me to actually tell you off or ask you to leave, but please be a little more amicable, Tribesman. This respectable community does not need another troll. If you have something to say then put up or shutup, but please do not continue to demonstrate this kind of rude behavior.

If you still have an irrepresible urge to just make people feel like trash, I can offer you my services. PM me whenever you want to engage in verbally abusive discourse. I'll be happy to give as good as I get.

Good day, sir.

Just because it's been used before doesn't make it right or any more acceptable.

Just because some people don't like it doesn't make it wrong or unacceptable.
Since the issue was pretty well misrepresented from the outset it does raise the question about why some are getting so het up over such a minor issue.

And here again. Really, wtf?

Thats simple, taters statement was simply wrong and it made no sense whichever way you looked at it.
This story arises from a law (that was made permanant under Reagan) on fixing issues over ensuring representation in elections.
That law was to fix a voting system which was designed to affect the result and replaced it with a voting system that was designed to affect the result.
Both cannot be wrong , yet if somehow they are then it means that another voting system must be designed to affect the result or another voting system must be designed.........and on and on....period.

tater has a very legitimate concern given the context

Context??? its a small local council and its addressing the issue of representing the people under that couincil, there were two real; options and cumulative voting would appear to be the fairest.

But you don't give a s*** about that, do you?

Don't talk rubbish.

I think he'd benefit a lot more from some actual enlightenment than from a condescending remark.

Some enlightenment, you mean like a talk about representation through elections, like what is going on.
Heres one for ya (or tater)how is cumalative voting far more representative in some situations than other systems ?
For another, given that he mentioned American voters and one man one vote, how does that equate with electoral college?
Or a simple one, how is minority rule democratic?

To be honest your opening post got it backwards Lcpl.