Report: Israel attacks flotilla, 10 die

Stealth Hunter, you are wasting your time.
It doesn't matter about the legality of the blockade, it doesn't matter about the legality of the boarding, it doesn't even matter about the nature of the goods that are being blocked.
It may have mattered early in the discussion when people were claiming that Israel was doing everything nice and legal which made it all OK and perfectly justified, but since that position fell apart they no longer care about legality or justification as the only thing that matters is Israel good-Palestine bad.

[L.T]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Stealth Hunter, you are wasting your time.
It doesn't matter about the legality of the blockade, it doesn't matter about the legality of the boarding, it doesn't even matter about the nature of the goods that are being blocked.
It may have mattered early in the discussion when people were claiming that Israel was doing everything nice and legal which made it all OK and perfectly justified, but since that position fell apart they no longer care about legality or justification as the only thing that matters is Israel good-Palestine bad.

yup...hit the nail in the head.....

When you run out of arguments it always gets back to "my dad is bigger than your dad"

Article 33, check

UN sanctioned, check

Boarding ship without state of war, (piracy) check

conclusion

All on the ships was terrorists...

Logic for a kindergarden kid

L.T

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by L.T

Boarding ship without state of war, (piracy) check

You can't be serious, can you?

I wonder how many people here would have cried wolf if a South Korean ship had send a boarding party to another ship that was heading for North Korea with the same result.

Originally Posted by Schroeder

You can't be serious, can you?

I wonder how many people here would have cried wolf if a South Korean ship had send a boarding party to another ship that was heading for North Korea with the same result.

Still haven't heard you condemn Christian movements in any way.

The Rachel Corrie has indicated that they will not stop until they reach Gaza and that they are ready for IDF massacre no. 2.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

The Rachel Corrie has indicated that they will not stop until they reach Gaza and that they are ready for IDF massacre no. 2.

Where you get that from? My sources say that they will not resist if boarded. Also, they say that they hope to get to Gaza, not that they'll force themselves in there.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Where you get that from? My sources say that they will not resist if boarded. Also, they say that they hope to get to Gaza, not that they'll force themselves in there.

There'll be plenty of cameras recording everything from just about all angles this time so if they behave anything like those on the other boat did I should imagine 'justifiable force' will not be so contentious this time around.

It's Irish. Those feeble little Jews are in for a nasty shock.

[CaptainHaplo]

posted by LT:

Originally Posted by Tribesman
Stealth Hunter, you are wasting your time.
It doesn't matter about the legality of the blockade, it doesn't matter about the legality of the boarding, it doesn't even matter about the nature of the goods that are being blocked.
It may have mattered early in the discussion when people were claiming that Israel was doing everything nice and legal which made it all OK and perfectly justified, but since that position fell apart they no longer care about legality or justification as the only thing that matters is Israel good-Palestine bad.

Sorry - but your facts are wrong.
The UNSC can declare a blockade illegal - they have not done so. So its not illegal. Fail #1
Boarding ship without state of war - piracy - sorry but a blockade is an act of war by definition - Fail#2
Legality of the boarding covered under the San Remo Manual on International Law of Armed Conflict at Sea - which makes it clear any "neutral" vessel running a blockade may be legally boarded.

Thus, this idea that the action wasn't legal is hogwash. The vessel was boarded legally, the soldiers attacked with lethal force and intent, and they responded in kind - a reasonable and suitable reaction.

Of course, when certain members (OTH, Tribesman, etc) are more concerned about expressing their anti-Semetism, as well as their anti-Americanism (whenever they can throw it in there) instead of being interested in facts, you can't expect a reasonable discussion.

Is the blockade the right thing to do? No, I don't think it is.
Was the enforcement of the blockade by the IDF handled wrong? No, it was not.

End of story - except for those that want to find more "reasons" to bash a nation surrounded by enemies.

Promoting lethal violence and trolling on the Internet is very christian, isn't it mr man-of-the-clergy CptHaplo?

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Promoting lethal violence and trolling on the Internet is very christian, isn't it mr man-of-the-clergy CptHaplo?

Talking about yourself again?

HunterICX

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Talking to yourself again?

HunterICX

Nope, I was talking to Cpt Haplo there. Do you have him in ignore or something?

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Nope, I was talking to Cpt Haplo there. Do you have him in ignore or something?

No, I don't have him on ignore.

but its funny how you label others but your actually describing yourself.

HunterICX

The UNSC can declare a blockade illegal - they have not done so. So its not illegal. Fail #1

wrong, it is dependant on the legal status of the territory in question.
By default it becomes illegal as it is blocking goods it has to allow through.
They don't have to declare anything as the laws are clearly set.

Boarding ship without state of war - piracy - sorry but a blockade is an act of war by definition - Fail#2

Wrong and errrr...wrong
Who mentioned piracy?
A blockade is not by definition an act of war unless it fits all the criteria, this one doesn't, which comes back to the legal status of the territory in question.

Legality of the boarding covered under the

San Remo doesn't even apply, due to the legal status of the territory. Just read the manual, it says it doesn't apply.
As I have said from the start, three things really matter when it comes to the legality of the case, but the main one which governs the application of all of the rest is the legal status of the territory in question.

Of course, when certain members (OTH, Tribesman, etc) are more concerned about expressing their anti-Semetism, as well as their anti-Americanism (whenever they can throw it in there) instead of being interested in facts, you can't expect a reasonable discussion.

No surprises there, you show yourself up very badly as usual.
So is it the English language you are strugglig with today or is it just your cognitive functions that have gone awry?

End of story - except for those that want to find more "reasons" to bash a nation surrounded by enemies.

There is no need to find more reason to criticise the illegal actions, that has been dealt with repeatedly and thoroughly, but some such as yourself are blinded by hatred and cannot reason at all.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Promoting lethal violence and trolling on the Internet is very christian, isn't it mr man-of-the-clergy CptHaplo?

Wait for it... WAAAAIT FOR IT!







Huh?

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Of course, when certain members (OTH, Tribesman, etc) are more concerned about expressing their anti-Semetism, as well as their anti-Americanism (whenever they can throw it in there) instead of being interested in facts, you can't expect a reasonable discussion.

I just read through all 38 pages of this thread.

I found anti-semitism coming from OTH. I did not find even a scintilla of anti-semitism from Tribesman or anyone else. The same goes for anti-americanism.

So please, either:

1) Learn to read

2) Stop lying.

Thanks.