Why I've decided not to buy, or own, SH5 (and I hope Ubi reads this)

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Diopos

Yeahp! But you don't know that until said opinions are expressed!

So, as long as forum rules (and, I might add, basic "manners") are respected everyone is entitled to expressing his opinion.

That's something i've never shunned, respecting opinions, however the "contents" of some opinions leave me a little dubious as to the quality of them.
Indeed some are better not expressed at all. As to basic manners being respected, some don't.

[ulysses]

the permanent internet connection required is disgusting....a real shame. unfotunateley i've already bought SH5, but i will never play it !!! i will sell the box and i will talk trash words on Ubisoft with all my friends.
it's unbelivable !!!
i will neve ever buy another game from tahta software house.
i loved the sh series very much. my favourite sim.not anymore

[thyro]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Trouble is that once again a troll (who has no interest in either the game or this forum) was alowed to come into the debate and start a flame war - and yes I'm happy for the posts to hang their for all to see, anyone who reads the whole thread will easily see the trolling for what it was.

I am sick and tired of threads in this forum being hijacked by the same trolls who have their own agenda , which has nothing to do with either this forum or the game.

And it seems that others feel the same way too.

Indeed I do feel you are trolling again. Not happy with a thread/post simply don't read and skip it altogether. Otherwise you could getbetter live doing something useful for change.

No har feelings but was necessary to be said.

Beside SH5 has good potential but still is long away to be finished and not everyone can play it simply because of the only online requirement. Therefore other posters are welcome to post if even venting frustration like you somethimes do. So defining someone you dislike as troll, remeber you/others that think like you aren't much better trolls either. Cheers

[SabreHawk]

Originally Posted by IanC

It's not about not knowing what something tastes like. That analogy is all wrong. It's knowing about all the problems, plain and simple. Don't need to own the game to know about those. Don't need to own the game to feel disappointed either.

Hehe, yeah maybe that's what I should have said, that I can't really comment on how pork tastes.
But we now sound like Joules and Vincent at the resturaunt having breakfast, Joules saying he doesn't eat pork cause it's a filthy animal, Vincent saying yeah but porkchops but taste gooooood.
Joules is basing his not eating pork on what he knows or has heard of pigs, not on actually knowing how it tastes, or how good it may be for him.

[Bilge_Rat]

The most objective and pertinent post in this entire thread is the one from gord96:

Originally Posted by gord96

i purchased the game yesterday and was pleasantly surprised that most of the negative posts on this forum are exaggerations. i had a good time with the game last night. sure it has bugs and shame on UBI for not testing it more, but as always a few mods and it runs very nice! of course people can say they wont support UBI because of all the bugs and i can see their point. But I like sub sims, and really there is no other option. I have played SH3 w/GWX to death. Already I see way more potential in SHV. A few patches and some more mods and it will be awesome.

Anyways, back to the open seas...

..the rest is, as usual, mostly mindless posturing..

[John Channing]

OK... could everyone just pretend that they got the last word in and then either post on topic or let it die a peaceful death?

Thanks

JCC

[IanC]

Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Hehe, yeah maybe that's what I should have said, that I can't really comment on how pork tastes.
But we now sound like Joules and Vincent at the resturaunt having breakfast, Joules saying he doesn't eat pork cause it's a filthy animal, Vincent saying yeah but porkchops but taste gooooood.
Joules is basing his not eating pork on what he knows or has heard of pigs, not on actually knowing how it tastes, or how good it may be for him.

Oh cool, do we get to analyse why Jules doesn't eat pork! Naww... would be off topic.

[aergistal]

There should be a balance between security and accessibility. When security gets in the way of proper use then there's a problem. The idea of permanent connectivity while playing sounds pretty wrong. They could at least revalidated after a few days because temporary connection problems do arise.

The DRM will only get in the way of legal users since the pirates have probably released a crack by now. There is always a workaround and there is no such thing as perfect security yet (not even the hardware keys, like the USB dongles mentioned in the first post).

While the DRM could be annoying, the reasons I would not buy SH5 for now is the lack of proper testing and the bug reports I've seen around. So I will wait for the gold release.

[ddrgn]

IN the case of SH5, DRM has worked. Without going into further detail DRM was successful. I have also had the game since Feb 28/2010 and have only experienced a one hour period where connecting was a problem. As a paying customer I have not been annoyed/mad/depressed over the DRM with my copy of SH5. Others that don't even own the game are more depressed and angry than me LOL....

Mind you I have new device called a cable modem, and I moved my computer inside, it was in the barn before. Oh and haven't been able to show off my elite convoy skills to chicks on flights to Paris yet... Will let you know how the DRM works out there too...

[aergistal]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

IN the case of SH5, DRM has worked. Without going into further detail DRM was successful[...]

Please do get into further details, because the guys docked at some [edit: not-to-be-ever-named site] say it wasn't.

I only asking myself when this post won't be contributed anymore. As far as I've seen till now, it's like making a tender and oily massage to a wooden foot ... besides that, it takes the same routine that SH5 forum has taken since the time game was released on the market: alienating the members of subsim one from another.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by aergistal

Please do get into further details...

You're new here, so you may have missed the rules:

We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez, abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, game cracks, illegal download sites, or illegal file-sharing.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

IN the case of SH5, DRM has worked. Without going into further detail DRM was successful.

[Garion]

The main reason I have not bought SH5 is the DRM, I live in rural Scotland and my internets consists of a man standing on the roof of my house waving flags.

I cannot therfore comment on the gameplay, bugs or other failings in the game.

I can however come to an informed 'to buy or not to buy' descion based on what people have posted here and on other forums (the ones that have set out rationaly their gripes or praises). Their experiences both good and bad, have helped me to come to the descion to hold off on purchasing.

I don't have to stick my hand in a fire to know that I will get burnt.

As for EULA's, these are 'After Sales' contracts and in the UK and I daresay most of Europe they are 'null and void'. For them to be legally binding they would have to be presented in a form that could be read prior to sale. I have returned games to the store several times and have always recieved my money back (I am an old fart and the manager of my local Game store used to shudder when I entered the shop)

We also have the right to sell on our copy of a game when we are done with it. It is my opinion that the DRM has been implimented to kill the second hand market and that is intself a breach of UK Consumer Law.

Now I know consumer protection laws differ in their effectivenes across the globe, so maybe the EULA's are binding in some members countries.

As for Subsims being a niche market, that is true, but there must come a time when to say Enough is Enough. I would rather the genre died for a while than buy into ever decreasing functions and content. But thats just my opinion.

Teh Internets is a great platform for rants and raves, it brings out the down right rude in some and text is very limited way to express a point, there being no body language to go along with it. Lets face you only know who a formum member actualy is if you meet then in real life.

right I'll get my coat

Garion
AKA Jevhaddah

[aergistal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You're new here, so you may have missed the rules:
We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez, abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, game cracks, illegal download sites, or illegal file-sharing.

And you have missed the point. Software piracy is a reality, it doesn't go away when you close your eyes nor does it cease to exists if you don't mention it for a while. And when pirates have it easier than legal users, then we have a problem.

I will edit my post to remove any reference. If you have further notifications please do use a private message.