6 Days And Counting ..

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by The General

Yeah, how difiicult would it be to write a quick Post on this Forum, when you have atleast two guys regularly visitng it anyway, just to let us know about the delay? A little bit of communication would prevent people from getting the wrong idea.

Did you consider the possiblility that they are prevented from communicating with us by dint of policy. I work in broadcasting but whenever I am asked by my co-workers in the Newsroom for any comments about any media related subjects I have to decline.

JCC

[The General]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Did you consider the possiblility that they are prevented from communicating with us by dint of policy?

Well something's up with 'policy' because the Moderator over at the Ubisoft Forums had to call up Ubisoft, on behalf of the forum members (end-users, consumers, whatever you wanna call 'em/us) to get a tidbit of information about the Patch. Now that's what I call a Moderator, actually working on behalf of the forum members and not against them. Imagine the possibilities!

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by The General

Well something's up with 'policy' because the Moderator over at the Ubisoft Forums had to call up Ubisoft, on behalf of the forum members (end-users, consumers, whatever you wanna call 'em/us) to get a tidbit of information about the Patch. Now that's what I call a Moderator, actually working on behalf of the forum members and not against them. Imagine the possibilities!

Not sure what you meant by that last bit about moderators working against forum members?

JCC

[The General]

Originally Posted by KiwiVenge

I moved on to Flight Sim X to fill in time and having a blast! Even bought a TrackIR Pro to go with it. Great game, and ya, not even worried about the patch due date now. Will get back to SH5 at a later date if FSX does not consume me forever.

Oops, there goes another customer!

Originally Posted by John Channing

Not sure what you meant by that last bit about moderators working against forum members?

JCC

Sorry, it's my policy not to comment any further.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by The General

Oops, there goes another customer!

Sorry, it's my policy not to comment any further.

Can we take that as a promise?

JCC

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by The General

Oops, there goes another customer!

Sorry, it's my policy not to comment any further.

ROFLMAO

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by John Channing

An alternative POV for you to consider.

You mention "required commands". Required by who?

Since you ask, it would have been handy to be able to steer the sub. The other missing stuff , depth under keel , compass etc - I'll concede that most average gamers wouldn't notice or care about (perhaps) But steering the ship is a pretty basic requirement IMO.

Having an AI that actually does something is a pretty basic requirement in a game that all about avoiding being destroyed by destroyers lol.


It's pretty obvious this game was developed to try to increase the base of Sub-Sim players (thereby increasing the genre's financial viablilty) and not for the Grognards who habituate this forum.

Without these 2 basic requirements you are more likely to put new gamers off IMO - well those that don't find subsim that is.


I believe that the Devs left all of the hooks for the traditional controls in so that modders could re-make it into something it wasn't meant to be and that reflects well on them. But if anyone thinks that Ubisoft could fund the Silent Hunter series based on the number of people here they had better brush up on their grade 7 math.

Agree.

If the patch had come out on April the 12th, incomplete or in a form that made things worse, you are right... this would not be happening. It would be a thousand times worse.

Same as if the patch came out on the 20th and it made things worse.

Agree, but I rather think you are missing the point. Again , it's only my opinion (for what its worth) But I believe that had their been some kind of dialogue between UBI and the gamers - not much , just a locked thread in the UBI english speaking forums. Then a lot of the anguish and gnashing of teeth could have been avoided.

Speaking for myself , and I've written this in a few threads already - so sorry for repeating it here. I have no problem with the patch being delayed , in fact I've rediscovered SH3 GWX and I'm having a ball with that. I would rather the devs took the time to iron out all the serious bugs and gave us a patch. What really irks me is finding all the news out via a German forum. I doubt I will buy another UBI game simply because of their appaling customer support (or lack of)

And, if we have learned anything here, we have learned that even if they had communicated openly about the missed dates people would have complained about that. If you don't believe me check out the reaction over the rumours (started by a Ubisoft associate on a Ubisoft website) that the Devs had the temerity to go on vacation instead of working round the clock on WHAT I WANT NOW!!!!!

Whilst I agree that there are some on this forum who simply complain for the sake of it - I really think you are doing the majority of the membership a great diservice by lumping us all together like that (again only my opinion)

I also have to say that had there been an official announcement about the patch - then the rumours of the Devs being on holiday wouldn't have held water at all. In fact the silence helped spread those rumours IMO

In the same paragraph you complain that the game was rushed out, incomplete and full of bugs, and then point to two delays in releasing the patch, which was obviously not ready for prime time, and sum up with the conclusion that they have "failed spectacularly and repeatedly pretty much at every step" . You are obviuosly not alone with this POV, but I find it puzzling.

See above I guess

As far as blaming Ubisofts communications policies for people's rants... sorry but that doesn't hold water. People are, or at least should be, responsible for their own actions. If they are willing to cede control of their emotions and reactions over to a corporation simply because a game does not live up to their preconcieved notions of what it should be, they are in for a very unhappy life indeed.

As Ian C has said - "Blame the customers instead of the product/service?"


JCC

Because (apparently) my message is too short?

Whats that all about?

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Because (apparently) my message is too short?

Whats that all about?

You mention the rudder as the example of the lack of ability to steer the ship as if that was the only way to do it. It isn't. The alternative is spelled out pretty clearly in the miserable excuse for a manual. The point and click method is very appropriate to someone who doesn't know a rudder from a scupper.

As to AI you are playing as an experienced Subsimmer. When you are closing on a target you don't come in, balls to the wall, blasting away. You know how to execute an attack. The non-Sub-Simmer doesn't and is going to have a hard time with the AI until they figure it out. As well (and this part is supposition) the non-Subsimmer just wants to blow stuff up and watch it sink. They would find evasion boring and if the AI was so good that they couldn't get close or get away the first time they tried they would hate the game.

As far as the AI for experienced Subsimmers goes have you played past 1939? From my experience in 1939 they can't find me at all. In 1941 they can find me but have a hard time holding me. By 1943 they are beginning to give me a very hard time, indeed. And this, for the Grognards, is spot-friiggin-on realistic, historically speaking.

As far as Ubisoft's decision not to communicate on this game I am not going to even venture an opinion. As we used to say at a company I worked for "It's their company.... they can screw it up any way they want".

The reality is that this information blackout has been going on long before this patch tempest in a teapot. Look how hard it was to even get a preview copy for Subsim. Clearly something inside of Ubisoft has changed vis a vis their relationship with Subsim.com. I have my theories why (and they go back to some stuff that happened with SH4) but they are only theories, so best kept to a favored few. Point being that this lack of information should not have come as a surprise to anyone... it has been S.O.P. from the beginning of this project.

And lastly, and I addressed this above, people are responsible for their own actions Even when you hide behind a nom-de-net.

JCC

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Because (apparently) my message is too short?

Whats that all about?

If you put all of your reply within a quote, the board software thinks you haven't written anything.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by The General

Well something's up with 'policy' because the Moderator over at the Ubisoft Forums had to call up Ubisoft, on behalf of the forum members (end-users, consumers, whatever you wanna call 'em/us) to get a tidbit of information about the Patch. Now that's what I call a Moderator, actually working on behalf of the forum members and not against them. Imagine the possibilities!

Trolling the moderators - ballsy

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Did you consider the possiblility that they are prevented from communicating with us by dint of policy. I work in broadcasting but whenever I am asked by my co-workers in the Newsroom for any comments about any media related subjects I have to decline.

JCC

You think they would be prevented from talking about projected release dates for a patch? I can understand comments but hoped for release dates? I'm also surprised by the sheer lack of communication from this company about this game. I don't know what it means but people will almost always assume the worse and it just looks bad. To only get information from one countries forum is just poor form.

[Zedi]

Those who wanna know why the communication with Ubi is so poor:

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Those who wanna know why the communication with Ubi is so poor:

The Community Developer for the US/UK forums "works" in Ubisoft Romania.

[KiwiVenge]

I moved on to Flight Sim X to fill in time and having a blast! Even bought a TrackIR Pro to go with it. Great game, and ya, not even worried about the patch due date now. Will get back to SH5 at a later date if FSX does not consume me forever.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by 609_Avatar

You think they would be prevented from talking about projected release dates for a patch? I can understand comments but hoped for release dates? I'm also surprised by the sheer lack of communication from this company about this game. I don't know what it means but people will almost always assume the worse and it just looks bad. To only get information from one countries forum is just poor form.

As I said somewhere else given the mature, reasoned and rational response to the first patch delay both here and on the Ubisoft forums I would be amazed if they haven't put in a company wide prohibition against giving firm dates on anything.

JCC