A SH too far?

[conus00]

I'd say wait at least 6 months to year and then buy the game in a sale bin. By then maybe (just MAYBE) there might be GWX5 around to make the game somewhat playable. Until then, if you are expecting something like SH3+GWX or SH4+OM you will be sorely disappointed!

[SilentOtto]

I too will wait a few months (if I finally get it), for the bugs to be solved, mods to be developed, and (maybe) the DRM internet system to be removed.

As I posted in other thread, this is the first SH release that I don't pre-order or buy as soon as it's marketed. My main reason (personal, of course, YMMV) is this: In my main computer I use linux, been using it for years. I keep a partition with windows XP and only boot there to play SH4. I don't have an antivirus, I keep the install as simple as possible since it is ONLY a gaming rig. Now imagine my thoughts, when I see SH5 as an all-time-connected system... I am SCARED to play for hours with the internet connection open. I usually downloaded mods and stuff from my ubuntu system, copy them to the windows partition, and only then boot into XP and set them up. I only connect to the internet from windows to download updates, but with microsoft caring less and less for XP support, I simply don't trust that system AT ALL to be connected for hours, just for the sucking DRM to be on!!


As I said, your mileage may vary, but even though I'd love to test SH5, and am really envious seeing your screenshots and comments on the new sim, I decided I've had enough, and took the only move I feel is sane for me. Stay out of SH5, wait and see if Ubi rethink their strategy, and play (only a little) SH4 from time to time.

Meanwhile, I've gone back to SPWaW (which, by the way, plays perfectly in linux using the wine system), entered online tournament at SP depot, and remember the good old times.

Godspeed to y'all!

Silent Otto off!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by conus00

By then maybe (just MAYBE) there might be GWX5 around to make the game somewhat playable.

Don't hold your breath.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Don't hold your breath.

Always the optimist

[Watson]

All comes to he who waits. [ heard that somewhere ]

[Arclight]

If you sit by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by.

The question is just if it will be OSP or Ubi.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Don't hold your breath.

I don't. That's why I capitalized the second "maybe".
Quite frankly I don't see GWX5 coming out.
But one can hope...

[mobucks]

i tend to buy obscure or niche games like this full price. To support the developers. At first i wanted a refund for SH5 i was so pissed. Anyway it has grown on me, and the potential is there so im glad i bought it, and feel sorry that DRM and price drops has probably screwed the people who put their heart into the series.

Stormbringer wrote:

This is the crux of the issue for me

i understand and agree completely however, untill the day comes where you can't open up your browser and within 3 pages download any game you want, DRM schemes are only going to get worse. That, or PC exclusive awesomeness will simply start to disappear. It is already happening. Sad.

[Stormbringer]

Originally Posted by mobucks

i understand and agree completely however, untill the day comes where you can't open up your browser and within 3 pages download any game you want, DRM schemes are only going to get worse.

DRM will only get worse if people buckle under to it and pay money for software with draconian DRM schemes.

If Ubisoft issued this new DRM scheme and nobody bought their new software with it enabled, the message of our dissatisfaction would be very clear. Quite frankly, everyone who bought an Ubisoft product after this DRM scheme went into affect, is part of the problem.

I'm absolutely sure that wasn't their intention, their interest was to play the various games from Ubisoft. They were willing to concede a little liberty for a little eye candy. Or perhaps they never thought of it in terms of privacy. However, the end effect is to support this DRM methodology and to send a message of positive acceptance, not only to Ubisoft, but to all other developers as well.

In essence, they've green flagged this scheme and others like it, for all developers. People might even look forward to office suites and other productivity software imposing a similar scheme in the future, simply because this test bed worked for Ubisoft.

If people had thought it over first and voted with their wallet, it would have stopped here and Ubisoft would have been forced to drop this intrusive system.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

DRM will only get worse if people buckle under to it and pay money for software with draconian DRM schemes.

If Ubisoft issued this new DRM scheme and nobody bought their new software with it enabled, the message of our dissatisfaction would be very clear. Quite frankly, everyone who bought an Ubisoft product after this DRM scheme went into affect, is part of the problem.

I'm absolutely sure that wasn't their intention, their interest was to play the various games from Ubisoft. They were willing to concede a little liberty for a little eye candy. Or perhaps they never thought of it in terms of privacy. However, the end effect is to support this DRM methodology and to send a message of positive acceptance, not only to Ubisoft, but to all other developers as well.

In essence, they've green flagged this scheme and others like it, for all developers. People might even look forward to office suites and other productivity software imposing a similar scheme in the future, simply because this test bed worked for Ubisoft.

If people had thought it over first and voted with their wallet, it would have stopped here and Ubisoft would have been forced to drop this intrusive system.

Oh, boo hoo, call me a scab all you want. Your problems with DRM are yours. Don't expect me to care.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

DRM will only get worse if people buckle under to it and pay money for software with draconian DRM schemes.

If Ubisoft issued this new DRM scheme and nobody bought their new software with it enabled, the message of our dissatisfaction would be very clear. Quite frankly, everyone who bought an Ubisoft product after this DRM scheme went into affect, is part of the problem.

I'm absolutely sure that wasn't their intention, their interest was to play the various games from Ubisoft. They were willing to concede a little liberty for a little eye candy. Or perhaps they never thought of it in terms of privacy. However, the end effect is to support this DRM methodology and to send a message of positive acceptance, not only to Ubisoft, but to all other developers as well.

In essence, they've green flagged this scheme and others like it, for all developers. People might even look forward to office suites and other productivity software imposing a similar scheme in the future, simply because this test bed worked for Ubisoft.

If people had thought it over first and voted with their wallet, it would have stopped here and Ubisoft would have been forced to drop this intrusive system.

Here's the irony. If the game was still selling at full price then (based on what I'd read here) I wouldn't have bought it. Because the anti DRM crowd wrote bad review after bad review the game got marked down and the asking price became lower and lower on Amazon, until I thought it worth the risk.

In the end I bought it because of the anti DRM crowd, so thanks guys

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

DRM will only get worse if people buckle under to it and pay money for software with draconian DRM schemes.

The continuation of a DRM scheme depends on it's success and cost-effectiveness, not the success of the software it's tied to.

Some time ago, games began to receive limited installs as a DRM measure; Spore is an excellent example. Public outcry followed, but did people stop buying these games? No, they didn't (some, maybe). Did the strategy survive? No, it didn't.

Following your logic, either no one bought games with that DRM, or every game today has it. Neither is true.

[JMV]

Thanks God, I don't have a powerfull enough computer to play SH5, so I don't regret anything.

I find this DRM thing is against our privacy and freedom. It's a violence done to us custommers. Just like ads on the TV that you have to swallow willy nilly every 10 mn or so.
Even if I could play it, I would not buy it. But, would it not have been for this DRM thing, I would have bought the game, even only just in case I can offer myself a computer in 30 years.

UBI has to know what we custommers want, because utltimately we decide, not vice verca. We don't have to bend to their rules, and a bit of discipline and wit from those that don't like DRM as a principle would be a clear remainder to them. You don't want your freedom or privacy altered, or an unfinished product : have a responsible behavior. Unite and send a clear message to UBI, because at the end we buy or don't buy their stuff. Period.

Plus it's not to the modders to spend 3 years finishing the job they havent done, just because they're greedy. If I buy a game, I don't want an unpolished job, and I don't want to wait 3 years...

[Stormbringer]

Originally Posted by Arclight

Following your logic, either no one bought games with that DRM, or every game today has it. Neither is true.

I'm not sure how you came to this outcome from what I stated.

My point was and still is, that if people did not buy any Ubisoft titles (SH5 being a tiny part of this, as Assassin's Creed II and others to come will outsell it...and you should notice that nowhere in my post did I limit this to SH5...) after they imposed this DRM method, then that would send a clear message as to how well the DRM is accepted. If this was a SH5 only boycott, it wouldn't tell Ubisoft anything other than subsims aren't a good line of development anymore.

Now that it has been accepted, at least to a degree, with Ubisoft's new titles (especially Assassin's Creed II), I expect to see similar schemes from other software manufacturers, who would love to have constant demographic information of their user base in order to determine marketing strategy. They have been hesitant to do so in the past, because previous efforts to establish this type of 'phoning home' software has met resistance. The only success before this is with Microsoft Windows itself. When a strategy ceases to meet resistance, the powers that be will push in. It is inevitable.

It is not a black and white condition. It is a condition where acceptance will lead to further implementation - but that doesn't ensure a 100% implementation - nor do I see that I ever stated it that way.

@mookiemookie, I'm sorry you took offense, but I'm going to call it as I see it. Any ire I have is not toward those who want to play these games. I'm one of them! Any ire I have is being forced to choose whether I want to do so at the expense of my privacy. When others support the system, it makes the chance of that system changing all the less likely.

@Nisgeis, I'd love to email Ubisoft about how I feel. Though I've searched their websites far and wide for an email address to do that with and haven't found one.

It looks like I'm either going to have to sign-up for their direct forum and add to the general chatter there on the subject (though I'd rather avoid that), send traditional mail via US post, or phone them up to do so.

If you have a general contact email address, please post it.