Crash the tea party

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by August

Actually GR his problem is that he's a troll who is looking to provoke an argument from anyone he can cajole into responding, and your problem is that you and a few others keep accommodating him.

I don't know about that. I've had some decently productive discussions with Tribesman, even though we are almost complete opposites. He strikes me as being a guy with something to say, and can usually make a fairly good case if you press him enough, but who would rather resort to brief insults most of the time. Actually, I guess you could call such a person a troll.

Well, at least he isn't some idiot who regularly posts 2,000-word responses to just about everything, like some Lcpls I know.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Well, at least he isn't some idiot who regularly posts 2,000-word responses to just about everything, like some Lcpls I know.

well what your posts lack in girth, they more than make up for in length

I enjoy reading your stuff.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

well what your posts lack in girth, they more than make up for in length

I enjoy reading your stuff.

Woah a bromance... Brain bleach please..

race is not the issue,

Then why bring it up?

yes, the corporate income tax rate for my bracket is actually something along the lines of 25% - which is an outrage IMHO...

But clearly not ourageous enough hence hiking it up to 50% to justify the level of outrage you express.

however, once you open your own business and your cash in hand drops by 25% that tends to take a bit of wind out of your sails so to speak.

Once you open your business and the government wants 60% plus a pile of subsidiary taxes in addition then it may take the wind out of your sails ....unless of course you knew what starting a business in that location meant.

you cant grant someone money they already have.

As I said before, it isn't your money until all your dues in relation to it are paid.

a grant is a formal and official transfer of money or other title or deed to one individual or entity from another.

Like granting a waiver on money due between two business entities, like you and the government.

You appear to come from a political mind set that it is the responsibility of those who work to give a portion of their money to those who refuse to work.

Wrong.

I come from the political viewpoint that it is the responsibility of every citizen to be a contributing member of society.

That is a good viewpoint, though it should have the rider that some people are unable to contribute.

You will have a hell of a time changing that opinion... or convincing me that my work ethic is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with your work ethic, just your approach to taxes where you have to exagerate massively to try and make your points sound reasonable.

[SteamWake]

Im not going to reply to every point but I'm pretty damn sure that the conservitives are not the ones trying to make it a race issue.

Thats an age old closely held tradition of the liberal left.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Thats an age old closely held tradition of the liberal left.

true, without the idea of racism the liberal left wouldn't have anything.

but back on topic.

ANY group has the right to assemble... IMHO any subversive act like the one linked in the original post - is a direct violation of that right.

[tater]

Race is an issue WRT the Tea PArty stuff because it's be made a race issue by the Democrats. The Black Caucus guys walked out through the Tea Party crowd after passing the abysmal health care bill, then claimed they heard 15 racial epithets thrown at them. Considering they were dogged by reporters, with and without tape running, as well as countless people with video capability, not ONE proof of the accusation of the n-word being thrown has been proved. Even with a news service offering $100,000 for taped evidence.

So they have proved they'll make stuff up to try and discredit them.

Are there some racists, loons, or other scumbags that show up at Tea Party demonstrations? Absolutely, I'm sure there are some. There was no shortage of communists at anti-war protests during the Bush Administration, too. Does that mean that everyone against the war that show'd up with a "honk if you want the troops home" sign supported the murder of over 100 million people by communism? No, only those that support communism support that.

Regarding taxes, no one thinks that the poor should pay terrible taxes. The bottom 40-something percent of taxpayers are already a net negative, they can pay nothing—it's better than us paying THEM, instead. Various conservatives have suggested a flat tax—which in all proposed examples has no tax on any income below some value so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. Another proposed tax is the "fair tax" which also includes a provision so the poor pay no tax, and the slightly poor pay a lot less. In both systems, if the poverty level is set at, say, $20,000/year, then the first 20k is untaxed. So if you make twice the poverty level, you in effect pay half the tax rate. 3X poverty, you pay 2/3 the tax rate, etc. (in the fair tax it's a rebate for the tax rate times the poverty level income).

There are other systems I'm sure as well, those are the two you hear about most.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by tater

Even with a news service offering $100,000 for taped evidence.

Which one offered that?

[tater]

I'm not a "Tea Party" person, myself. Meaning I don't see myself attending.

That said, as much as they tried to paint them as racists before, my bet is that suddenly, tomorrow, the same protesters will be WAY more racist as seen on the news. That'll be the credulous (it's that or they are very biased, pick one) news reporting on infiltrators as the very essence of the movement.

Some of the tea party attendance claims were clearly exaggerated before (the DC one), OTOH, local events were typically under-counted in the press.