Massive Price Drop!

[Zedi]

Gunnodayak, u still keep bashing the devs for some unknown reason. For me, the only responsible for this epic fail is only Ubi. I mean, u must be blind or something if you can't see that this is an unfinished product. There is no excuse for Ubi to launch a game with only the graphic part finished. They are the publishers, they should know better if a game is ready or not for release, is their job.

[janh]

[QUOTE=Gunnodayak;1335254] uups, deleted.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I would not say that. I would say there are still extremists on both sides, as you can see just in this thread (and I have also sometimes been guilty of that).

But on the whole I think we can see the forum getting slowly back to normal, where we will be able to calmly discuss the game and its issues, without sparks flying all the time...

Indeed, some people will do almost anything to convince you that their opinion is the only one which matters, you have seen an example of that on page 10 alone. My thread has been taken out of context, because one particular individual assumes that it is an assault against the game he worships, when in fact it's purpose was only to inform those who have yet to purchase the game of the price change. I fail to see how this is in any way negative, but as usual, the extremists see what they want to see.

I agree that the forum is calming down, compared to a few weeks ago, but there is still a long way to go. Honestly, I don't see why some people feel the need to be so openly hostile to those who either do not share their point of view, or disagree with some aspect of it. Surely, the purpose of this forum is to 'discuss', not beat each other over the heads, or am I missing something here?

Originally Posted by Commie

Why the brig?

Because he's a troll, and the brig is where trolls belong. He knows it, we know it, hell, the whole damned forum probably knows it.

[SteamWake]

Well on steam it is still on the top 10 sellers list at the original price.

I'm guessing those in the UK arent as keen on subsims.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Well on steam it is still on the top 10 sellers list at the original price.

I'm guessing those in the UK arent as keen on subsims.

Not necessarily, the price reduction doesn't tell us anything at this time, as currently Amazon are the only ones to do so (to my knowledge).

[Charlie901]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Gunnodayak, u still keep bashing the devs for some unknown reason. For me, the only responsible for this epic fail is only Ubi. I mean, u must be blind or something if you can't see that this is an unfinished product. There is no excuse for Ubi to launch a game with only the graphic part finished. They are the publishers, they should know better if a game is ready or not for release, is their job.

Well that's probably because the Devs may very well be totally responsible for this pile of Cr@p!!!

Lets just asume to say that UBI ordered this title out the door in it's current state. If so, it really makes you wonder what the heck it was that the Dev Team was doing with this title for 3+years when they already had the excellent foundation of SH3 & 4 to build upon. SH5 Graphics are nice but look what modders have done to SH4 with no code access and in a relatively short amount of time to make it comparable to SH5 graphically.

Lets face it, the Devs weren't; "Reinventing the Wheel" here. Case in Point: A mere week after SH5's release, tons of Mods were released, finishing and fixing many issues that any of the Devs could have addressed in an hour or so "With the Open Code lying right in their faces".

Makes me wonder if the Devs were just jerking around like most office staff updating their "Facebook" pages and playing Solitare rather than working hard to complete a quality product and UBI finally said; "Enough is enough", and pulled the rug out from under them, releasing this title in the stinking state that it is.

So until we know the real story I think its safe to say that we can't assume one group is guilty over the other of releasing this one as a stinking TURD!

[Coldcall]

Originally Posted by Charlie901

Well that's probably because the Devs may very well be totally responsible for this pile of Cr@p!!!

Lets just asume to say that UBI ordered this title out the door in it's current state. If so, it really makes you wonder what the heck it was that the Dev Team was doing with this title for 3+years when they already had the excellent foundation of SH3 & 4 to build upon. SH5 Graphics are nice but look what modders have done to SH4 with no code access and in a relatively short amount of time to make it comparable to SH5 graphically.

Lets face it, the Devs weren't; "Reinventing the Wheel" here. Case in Point: A mere week after SH5's release, tons of Mods were released, finishing and fixing many issues that any of the Devs could have addressed in an hour or so "With the Open Code lying right in their faces".

Makes me wonder if the Devs were just jerking around like most office staff updating their "Facebook" pages and playing Solitare rather than working hard to complete a quality product and UBI finally said; "Enough is enough", and pulled the rug out from under them, releasing this title in the stinking state that it is.

So until we know the real story I think its safe to say that we can't assume one group is guilty over the other of releasing this one as a stinking TURD!

Well i think its more likely that the devs told Ubi it was not ready and Ubi said, release anyway and you guys can do some patches, cheque is in the post. What are the devs going to do, refuse to hand it over? Remember Ubi are their bosses.

This is the problem with these large corporate publishers also owning all the dev houses making games today. The publishers own all the rights which mean they have all the power in the end.

This is why i stress the devs needs to ascertain their rights as artists and at least own a share of the copyright. Believe me this happen very soon when developers realise that they should have some control over their creative work, as do authors, artists, even journalists.

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Yes, exactly. Even indie companies tend to go with a publisher if they want their game to reach a wider audience. It's a necessary evil.

The ignorant side of me in terms of how these things actually work would like to think in this day and age with the internet being as prevalent as it is that they could do a decent job of marketing the game themselves and sell directly to people over the net. Kind of like how some up and coming musicians are trying to do now a days.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by 609_Avatar

The ignorant side of me in terms of how these things actually work would like to think in this day and age with the internet being as prevalent as it is that they could do a decent job of marketing the game themselves and sell directly to people over the net. Kind of like how some up and coming musicians are trying to do now a days.

True, and it can be done, but it is by no means easy, or cheap for that matter. In any case, few developers these days can refuse the large sums of money publishers are willing to throw at them, regardless of what this means for the developer in terms of being tied to said publisher. Just look at all the small teams EA have gobbled up over the past few years, that is but one example. Soon we have have only the corporate giants left, and this is definitely not good for the consumer.

Honestly, if someone offered to buy you out for a very large sum of money, would you say no? Because this is exactly what publishers like EA, and indeed Ubisoft, are doing these days.

[Coldcall]

Originally Posted by 609_Avatar

The ignorant side of me in terms of how these things actually work would like to think in this day and age with the internet being as prevalent as it is that they could do a decent job of marketing the game themselves and sell directly to people over the net. Kind of like how some up and coming musicians are trying to do now a days.

With direct downloads and internet shopping one does not necessarily need the big publishers, its just much easier and yes its hard to say no when being told not to worry about that part of the business, and here's your money, thanks for your work.

This wont go on forever, its a phase like all phases and there wil be reactionary tilt the other way at some point.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

Oh come on now....personal attacks or insinuations are not warranted or welcomed here.

It is obvious and acceptable that you have issues with SH5 in terms of quality and are highlighting the facts as you see them in a debate....but please, let us keep personalisation out of it.

This is not your finest moment, I'm sure your a better person than that.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by 609_Avatar

The ignorant side of me in terms of how these things actually work would like to think in this day and age with the internet being as prevalent as it is that they could do a decent job of marketing the game themselves and sell directly to people over the net. Kind of like how some up and coming musicians are trying to do now a days.

TaleWorlds published their Mount&Blade game online although if I'm not wrong they later published it also in DVD. I have no idea how succesfull that was but atleast they seem to still be on business.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Gunnodayak

Most of you are ignoring the elephant in the room in this matter. Why they will not go independent? One of the main reasons is that because they are not so good you think they are. It's very convenient for them to hide behind some Ubi marketing decision. You have the tendency to see them as "saints", but they are full of "sins". Alexandru Gris, the head project responsible, is not even with its feet down on Earth, he is very happy of the final product as result of its team work, he told me that, and if somebody think that I am lying, I can prove that. He told everybody, to his friends, to his relative, what a good project he finished.
Dan (elanaiba), on the otherside, have a little more decency than Alexandru, but he is not a saint either.
So please, try to stop separate those two entities, Ubi suits and Ubi devs, they belong to the same mother company, and the responsibility of success and failure belongs to all of them. No Ubi suit is responsible for the major bugs in the game, like morale system and so on, arcadish as it is.

Anyway, as I've told earlier today, some of you fully deserve SH5. Understand what you want from that conclusion of mine.

I'm really disappointed you think it's appropriate to attack these guys again. We talked about this explicitly. The dev team individually cannot post replies to your innuendo here. They cannot defend themselves against your "information". You are basically being a cyberbully by naming them and characterizing them in a negative light.

You can criticize the game and the dev team, intellegently, but don't start making character accusations by name, unless you are willing to post your real name, your company and your boss' name.

Because we have had this problem before, and I made it perfectly clear that was not acceptable, your suspension this time is going to last longer than the last. I'm guessing you won't care, you have done what you came to do and you probably think we're all idiots anyway.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Not necessarily, the price reduction doesn't tell us anything at this time, as currently Amazon are the only ones to do so (to my knowledge).

Game has reduced their price to £12.98 as well and also amazon has recently dropped the price of AC2 as well to £15.98.

ShopTo.Net's price has also dropped £3 to £19.85 for SH5 and AC2 is also £19.85 (not sure what it was previously, but it wasn't that low).

Buuuuuuut... Germany and the US are the markets for subsims.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Coldcall

With direct downloads and internet shopping one does not necessarily need the big publishers, its just much easier and yes its hard to say no when being told not to worry about that part of the business, and here's your money, thanks for your work.

This wont go on forever, its a phase like all phases and there wil be reactionary tilt the other way at some point.

I don't think one can discount the massive marketing power of a major publisher like Ubi or EA. When Sonalysts decided to publish their own game, Dangerous Waters, as a direct download only (to begin with) the sales were terrible, even though that game was the first and best example of a sub/ship/air naval simulation.