Massive Price Drop!

[Dutch]

Once the game is around 10$ and DRM free I'll buy it.

I'll give it 6 months.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Once the game is around 10$ and DRM free I'll buy it.

I'll give it 6 months.

You might not have to wait that long, it dropped nearly £12 in one day alone. If this keeps up, they'll have no need for DRM.

[The Enigma]

Originally Posted by The General

The people who haven't yet purchased the game can't really call themselves Subsim fans can they? They're the followers not the leaders.

So you are the one who knows it all??
Man, you are so wrong.

I'm a U-boat simulation fan for many, many years.
Maybe you were still filling diapers while I was playing these type of games.

So when I decide to not to buy a game, doesn't that mean I'm no fan of the genre.

People have many reasons for buying/not buying items.
Making these kind of decisions do say nothing about their being/not being loyal.

Also, I'm no follower.
I make my decisions completely by myself.
In case I need some advice, one thing is clear now, I never would ask you.

You have proven to be very narrow minded with your comment.

Having said this, I feel much better now.

[Commie]

Originally Posted by Placoderm

"This can only mean one thing"

Yes, That UBISOFT screwed themselves out of thousands of sales and deserve the consequences for their lack of trust in their core customer base. The have nobody to blame but themselves and I, for one, could not care less if they never produce another game if this is what they think of the people who got them where they are today.

They were afraid of PIRATES?!?! Really?!? Heck, Ubisoft have done more financial damage to themselves by their own self-destructive paranoia than if every software pirate on the planet had copied their precious game.

Do you realize that at a 50% reduction in the sales price, they are loosing more money than if 1 out of every 2 potential customers had pirated their game? Add to that the PR nightmare and future losses of sales that will result from their decisions, and it is UBISOFT and nobody else who is to blame for this failure in their sales.

As for the whiners who are saying that if we do not kiss the figurative behind of Ubisoft or else we will never get another submarine simulation? Get real...we do NOT have a submarine simulation with SH5, we have a very pretty and graphically intense ARCADE experinece...but not a simulation. If there were a Silent Hunter 6, do you really think it would be any different? Again, ...get real.

Before Silent Hunter there was Aces of the Deep...and folks lamented the loss of their beloved Aces. Before Aces of the Deep we had Silent Service...and people cried that they could not run Aces on their comuters and begged for Microsoft to continue developing Silent Service. I guarantee you that after Silent Hunter sinks to the briny deep there will be something to fill the gap it leaves, and maybe...just maybe...it will take the collapse of the SH franchise to bring that opportunity to light. History has shown that whatever follows will likely be better than anything that came before.

Do I want Silent Hunter to die? NO, not at all...but if it does it will not be due to anything but Ubisoft's own lack of focus and abandonment of it's previously very loyal customer base.


"...They'll be no competitors of Ubisoft to come along and pick up where they left-off"

Oh Really? Exactly what competitors do they have now? Perhaps with a publishing giant like Ubisoft out of the picture, an independant development house can finally compete and produce something made by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. (Eagle studios would never have been able to make Jutland if the Great Naval Battles franchise were still in the way...)


"...because SH5 is the last one and the horrible irony is, it's probably the best!"

Graphically, yes. It is gorgeous. The modeling is beautifully done and the ocean simulation is the best ever attempted, bar none. Historically though, not even close. Silent Hunter 5 is to historical simulations what Enigma Rising Tide was...except that Enigma at least understood that it was in an historical alternate reality. Silent Hunter pretends just the opposite.

Great post. Totally agree, couldn't really add any more!

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by The Enigma

You have proven to be very narrow minded with your comment.

He's proven one thing, and one thing only, that even this forum has its fair share of trolls. Add him to your ignore list, and pretend he doesn't exist.

[Placoderm]

Originally Posted by The General

@Nerdmann

I can't believe I gotta waist my thousandth Post to show you the error of your ways

SH5 1.2 is the best subsim there has ever been. That's right, I said 1.2!

For you to create a thread that serves no other purpose than to gloat the demise of a great franchise for Subsim fans is reprehensible. If this was my Website, I'd simply boot you off.

Don't condescend me by suggesting that I don't know how the system works with regard to sales figures. If the game is available for practically nothing, less than one month after release, they'll be no more and that's the bottome line!

"@Nerdmann"

That is just childish. This is supposed to be a mature discussion, and a sharing of ideas, opinions, and experiences. If you do not like someone's opinion, either move on or counter it with your own.


"SH5 1.2 is the best subsim there has ever been. That's right, I said 1.2!"

So, are you a beta tester (likely violating your non-disclosure agreement), or an SH5 developer working for Ubi (which would explain your overly defensive attitude)?


"...If this was my Website, I'd simply boot you off."

Oh, that answers that...you work for Ubisoft...


"If the game is available for practically nothing, less than one month after release, they'll be no more and that's the bottome line!"



...And Ubisoft would be the only one to blame, too.


I must ask, Mr. The General, ...if I frequent a fine restaurant for years and then never return after I get food poisoning and they get written up by the Health Department...is it MY fault if they then go out of business?


To stay in business, all one has to do is gain and please more customers than you lose or displease. If a company cannot do that one basic requirement...they do not deserve to be in business in the first place.

I do hope that the 1.2 patch is as awesome as you indicate. Ubisoft would do well to fix the bugs. I doubt seriously, though, that it will address the ahistorical abyss that SH5 is currently, nor the script-laden non-dymanic campaign structure that is more about theatrically intense arcade action than it is about re-living history. Those things are core design elements that likely cannot be changed in a simple patch, and it is those things that seem to be the bane of many reviewers and players. Sure, it will be great if it just addresses all the current bugs, without introducing new ones. Only time will tell if it does more than that, which is what is truly needed to save this game.

[IanC]

don't feed the troll guys...

[Nordmann]

Well, I can't even see his posts, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned. He's no doubt trolling another thread in any case.

[Brag]

From what I hear, SH5 is sold as a fixer upper. In that case it belonged in the bargain bins from the beginning.

Never mind the DRM.

The troll has the brain of an Ubi PR guy specializing in stupid utterings.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Once the game is around 10$ and DRM free I'll buy it.

I'll give it 6 months.

6 months ? No way, 3 months at most. SH5 will be 10 € (VAT included) by June.
As for DRM who know ?

[janh]

Originally Posted by Placoderm

"This can only mean one thing"

Yes, That UBISOFT screwed themselves out of thousands of sales and deserve the consequences for their lack of trust in their core customer base. The have nobody to blame but themselves and I, for one, could not care less if they never produce another game if this is what they think of the people who got them where they are today.

They were afraid of PIRATES?!?! Really?!? Heck, Ubisoft have done more financial damage to themselves by their own self-destructive paranoia than if every software pirate on the planet had copied their precious game.

Do you realize that at a 50% reduction in the sales price, they are loosing more money than if 1 out of every 2 potential customers had pirated their game? Add to that the PR nightmare and future losses of sales that will result from their decisions, and it is UBISOFT and nobody else who is to blame for this failure in their sales.

As for the whiners who are saying that if we do not kiss the figurative behind of Ubisoft or else we will never get another submarine simulation? Get real...we do NOT have a submarine simulation with SH5, we have a very pretty and graphically intense ARCADE experinece...but not a simulation. If there were a Silent Hunter 6, do you really think it would be any different? Again, ...get real.

Before Silent Hunter there was Aces of the Deep...and folks lamented the loss of their beloved Aces. Before Aces of the Deep we had Silent Service...and people cried that they could not run Aces on their comuters and begged for Microsoft to continue developing Silent Service. I guarantee you that after Silent Hunter sinks to the briny deep there will be something to fill the gap it leaves, and maybe...just maybe...it will take the collapse of the SH franchise to bring that opportunity to light. History has shown that whatever follows will likely be better than anything that came before.

Do I want Silent Hunter to die? NO, not at all...but if it does it will not be due to anything but Ubisoft's own lack of focus and abandonment of it's previously very loyal customer base.


"...They'll be no competitors of Ubisoft to come along and pick up where they left-off"

Oh Really? Exactly what competitors do they have now? Perhaps with a publishing giant like Ubisoft out of the picture, an independant development house can finally compete and produce something made by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. (Eagle studios would never have been able to make Jutland if the Great Naval Battles franchise were still in the way...)


"...because SH5 is the last one and the horrible irony is, it's probably the best!"

Graphically, yes. It is gorgeous. The modeling is beautifully done and the ocean simulation is the best ever attempted, bar none. Historically though, not even close. Silent Hunter 5 is to historical simulations what Enigma Rising Tide was...except that Enigma at least understood that it was in an historical alternate reality. Silent Hunter pretends just the opposite.

Wow, very sharp posts, both of yours. There is little to add, nor much ground to argue against it. I concur that Ubisofts OSP-DRM concept has done them more damage for this generation of games (SHV, ACII, S7...) than pirates could ever have done. And this is surely going to propagate into their future releases for probably some 3-6 years. I hope this time they won't easily blame it on pirates.

I am more and more convinced that there are plenty of examples that show that not piracy is the real problem of the gaming industry, though it does cost some sales. There are just too many examples of new studios/developers in the past 15 years that have landed "1st time" superhits, which proved to be ground-breaking new game ideas, features etc. And too many examples of small and big companies developing something that they had in mind, but that was orthogonal to the gamers interests, or badly executed. They just failed to approach and bind customers through service, quality and addressing the wishes of the latter (all of which is so common in markets/jobs where you still have real contact with your customer basis).

Surely nobody wants to see the SH series die, many of us have spent way to far happy hours playing them. But a bad product is as good as no product at all. And as you concluded, many subsim series already died, and always a new generation followed that was better than any predecessor. So, have a tea and let's wait and see.

[Vreith]

Just got this email from ubi... is this meant to be an apology?? if so don't bother just fix the god dam game!!!!
(PS is you want the prince of Persia one the link doesn't work so you can't even get ure free game, looks like another thing Ubi did not 'beta' "

""Dear **********

Following the recent temporary game server outages which may have caused disruption to some Silent Hunter 5 players on PC only, we would like to reward your patience if you have experienced any problems by offerring you a full downloadable game from the list provided below, completely free of charge.HERE'S HOW TO GET YOUR FREE GAME:
1- Make your choice by clicking on one of the icons below…
You will be automatically directed to a new web page where you can download your game
3- Click the “download” button & enter your promotional code : ********** when prompted
4- When your game has downloaded you just need to install it
5- Enjoy!

We hope you continue to enjoy Silent Hunter 5 and can use our free download offer.

Best Regards,


The Ubisoft Team""

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by goldorak

6 months ? No way, 3 months at most. SH5 will be 10 € (VAT included) by June.
As for DRM who know ?

Right but the Dollar is worth less next to the pound or Euro or whatever that symbol is. Sorry just don't recognize it but I figure its on of those two.

So what the current conversion rate? I suppose 10 Euro's/Pounds = 20$ (Dollars US)?

20$ is still to much to purchase this game and thats if it didn't have DRM.

[Nordmann]

At the current rate, £12.98 = $19.2391, this is down from £22.93 (or $33.9814). However you look at it, that's quite a drop.

I said a while back that this game was worth between 10 to 12 pounds (in it's present state), it seems Amazon have thus far proved me right.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I heard that Ubisoft has done a deal to give a Toyota away with every copy!

Be aware that this deal requires a constant electric wire connection to make it drive...

Originally Posted by Nordmann

Still, Ubi have already made their money from the retailers who have purchased stocks of SH5 at trade prices, thus this retail reduction only affects the seller, not Ubi.

Maybe, but only full price for the first stock. If this tendency endures, the retaillers won't pay full price to Ubisoft for the next stock. So sooner or later, Ubisoft WILL see the light... It's just a matter of time...

Originally Posted by The General

The people who haven't yet purchased the game can't really call themselves Subsim fans can they? They're the followers not the leaders.

Any Subsim member can express his/her POV, positive or negative, AFAIK. And someone like me having played SH1, SH2, SH3 and SH4 CAN call myself a TRUE subsim fan, even though SH5 hasn't been purchased.
Who are you to decide how much or how little a gamer can call himself a subsim fan? Let's not forget who were brigged for creating a secondary account to make a poll to get himself banned. Welcome back to reality and soon to the ignore list of all subsim members, if you continue to behave like that. If you come up with such a rude comment again, you'll have the honour of being the first member to ever reach my ignore list, and that just says it all, imagining that I have been here far longer than you and in all those years have seen numerous quarrels with several modders on this forum. One can spend better time than reading such rubbish.