SUBSIM is dying

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Accer

Neal you should replace some of your immature forum admins for the greater good of this community. Seriously. I just had my third account deleted without legit reason. I did not encourage piracy nor did I post anything illegal or against forum rules. Free speech however seems to be an endangered species these days. I registered this last time only to say goodbye. I have been a supported for over 15 years. It's been fun participating, and especially when we contributed with feedback to East and his team during the development of Enigma. I was even quoted on the cover.

Subsim is a rather small and fragile community. The mess UBI caused is already demoralizing most if not all member, and the inappropriate behavior by some forum admins do not make things better. Because of this behavior (deleting accounts with no warning or explanation to why) I choose not to participate at all.

Good luck with everything. I hope to see subsim.com still active in a couple of years.
Regards / bratkorv / bratwurst / joogrr

How many times have we asked people not to post "I pirated SH5 to see if it would run on my computer, but if I like it I was going to buy it" ??

Too many. The rules are very clear, we don't want people posting casual remarks about how they are are pirating games. We don't want people informing the forum that they use cracks on their LEGAL games because there is no way to know if they are honest people trying to work around a PITA DRM, or they are lying and running a bootleg version of the game. To be fair, no one cares what you do on your PC in your parent's garage, but....

You cannot discuss it here.

It's on the signup agreement, it's on the new user welcome email, it's in the FAQ & Rules, and it's stickied in the Sticky: Note: Read before posting - you could be interested to know we have a few rules here thread here.

And if you think I am going to hand-hold every WOW-refugee and exchange 10 PMs about it... think again. I do not have time for that. And I don't get paid to spend my evenings doing it. So, after many warnings, if you cannot manage to keep yourself inside the rules, you could get nuked from orbit--username deleted, posts deleted, banned for life, just like it says in the rules that have been in place since 1999.

Sorry. You can come back as a new alias, but the rules stay the same. I would rather have a small forum of intelligent, thoughtful people than a massive forum of nutballs and drama queens fizzing at the mouth any day.

[krashkart]

And there you have it. Common sense should dictate right from the start that certain things just should not be discussed on these kinds of forums, otherwise face the music and be brave about it. Discuss cracks and piracy on the undergrounds, not the more respectable outfits like Subsim.

[CCIP]

I'm kind of amused at how some things never change. Grumpy people - with a point perhaps - who just don't get it, that's certainly one of those things.

I've been involved with quite a number of websites and have participated in administering some. Subsim's administration, if you ask me, is one of the most effective I have seen, largely because it's the right mix of common sense and community values on the one hand, and Neal's active 'my clubhouse' attitude on the other. In the end it works. It's a clubhouse built on respect, not written-in-stone rules, and if you want to challenge norms you have to respect the established way of doing things here. In the end, it's a submarine sim community, not a platform to make statements on politics of software. Let's keep that in perspective.

Otherwise "dying" is a gross exaggaration for a site that has just experienced problems due to demand for its community services just going through the roof. Anything but, sir.

[Reece]

Dare I say anything, gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that, maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a fair donation, maybe even keelhauled with a large donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet!

[CCIP]

What's with all these proposals to get Neal to accept "special features" for users lately? Geez, just play fair and donate regularly - I don't think Subsim is desperate for money as long as people do so, and I don't think Neal is out to make a buck off it, either. I don't think any special priviliges like that are fair - let's keep the playing field level and not treat some transgressions more leniently than others - and avoid the brig in the first place

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Reece

Dare I say anything, gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that, maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a fair donation, maybe even keelhauled with a large donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet!

Haha, no, I better stay away from attaching monetary measures to punitive actions. I can see it now, a new motorcycle catches my eye and I put half the forum in the brig

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Reece

Dare I say anything, gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that, maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a fair donation, maybe even keelhauled with a large donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet!

You are given second chances before you get keelhauled, by receiving warnings, PMs from moderators or Neal, being asked to play by the rules. Brigtime is such a second chance, a last warning, so to speak. Standards are not standards when they are open to unlimited debate, redefinition, ma favourite: endless relativising, and deal-making. At one point people need to reach that line in the sand that says: until here and not one step further. Offenders are not to negotiate the "law" and by that negotiating the conditions of their "penalty". They get submitted to the "law" and the sanctions in it like anyone else, full stop.

Regarding that pathetic statement that subsim is dying: considering the circumstances of the poster, I think that is not an observation, but qualifies more as wishful thinking.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Otherwise "dying" is a gross exaggaration for a site that has just experienced problems due to demand for its community services just going through the roof. Anything but, sir.

I agree. "Thriving" might be more accurate.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I would rather have a small forum of intelligent, thoughtful people than a massive forum of nutballs and drama queens fizzing at the mouth any day.

Can some of us nutballs and drama queens still stay? Pleeeze?

[Ships-R-Us]

[QUOTE=Neal Stevens;1305446]

Too many. The rules are very clear, we don't want people posting casual remarks about how they are are pirating games. We don't want people informing the forum that they use cracks on their LEGAL games because there is no way to know if they are honest people trying to work around a PITA DRM, or they are lying and running a bootleg version of the game.You cannot discuss it here.

It's on the signup agreement, it's on the new user welcome email, it's in the FAQ & Rules, and it's stickied in the Sticky: Note: Read before posting - you could be interested to know we have a few rules here thread here.

WOW HITMAN That was great, aside from your viewpoint as a judge; I am guilty myself of forgetting that this is a private forum, and most of us were welcomed guests at one time. Thanks for the "wake up".

[Jimbuna]

"SubSim is dying"

Probably beats every joke I've posted over the years

[Reece]

Imagine if it closed Jim! what would we do? Don't want to think of such horrible things, my guts churns at the thought!
I'm definitely a Subsim junkie, TBO I think of Subsim as my "other family"!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Reece

Imagine if it closed Jim! what would we do? Don't want to think of such horrible things, my guts churns at the thought!
I'm definitely a Subsim junkie, TBO I think of Subsim as my "other family"!

Get involved in Neals next project... SubSim 2

[ReFaN]

heh, remember when i was posting on the World of warcraft forums, some people said WoW was dying, well with over 12 million players i cant say i agree.

and i dont think subsim is dying either, alsong as there is Submarines, there will be Subsim, and as long as there is subsim, there will be submarines.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

"SubSim is dying"

Probably beats every joke I've posted over the years

Welcome to the bottom feeder klub. When I saw this thread, my troll detect-or went off and I don't take troll threads seriously.

Look forward to the next subsim meetin', hopefully all my mates can make it.