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[Rip]

Originally Posted by John Channing

I think it is very early days and that Ubisoft underestimated how morally insane and ethically bankrupt these cretins are.

Now that Ubisoft knows the magnituide of the problem I will reserve my judgement until I can see, for myself, how they respond. From what I can see they have a few options. My opinions will be informed by which one(s) they go with.

JCC

That is just the point. they didn't just underestimate it. The grossly underestimated it when damn near EVERYONE with any technical knowledge chuckled saying "this won't end well".

No reason to expect they will respond with anything beyond the utter brainlessness that they have shown thus far.

Nothing left to do but SURRENDER!

[John Channing]

Well, I would love to continue this debate but I see there are a couple of new mods I want to try and, so far... bugs and all, this thing is a hoot!

JCC

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Well, I would love to continue this debate but

"I don't have a leg to stand on so I'm running away."

[Arclight]

Oh, real mature.

I really hope SH6 is a long way off. The atmosphere here went down the drain with SH5 on the way.

[razark]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

Every game with OSP is in the top ten for games sold last week.

I'd like to see what Ubisoft's sales figures look like for this week.

[Schunken]

...I would more like see how many returns their get from Amazon and the big warehouses.....

Not only SH5, also this Assasins whatever (never got friend with such 3-person games)

Andreas

[JScones]

Originally Posted by John Channing

See... this is the logic I can't wrap my head around.

This isn't a case where a bunch of morons just decided to pick Ubisoft as the target of the day.

The hackers are running the attack because they failed to completely crack the DRM. They see this as "payback" for nothing more than Ubisoft coming up with a system of DRM that they can't break. They know that doing this will create a situation where the only peopple who can even partially play the game are the theives who have stolen it.... but they go ahead anyway. Screw you paying customer... it their "honor" at stake.

All of this "DOS attacks are an ordinary part of the internet experience" just doesn't wash in this case. This is targeted and planned specifically to prevent you from using you legitimate copy of SH 5.

And you know how they do it? In a lot of cases by putting viruses on your PC that allow them to take control of your pc to run the attack. Where is the outrage about this? Where are the thousands of posts on the hacker sites condemming them for this?

No... everyone trots down to Subsim and vents their anger at Ubisoft. A few even applaud the hackers.

Sure Ubisoft could probably have been more prepared than they were/are, but they are not running the attacks. If their servers went down due to poor maintenance or bad management that would be one thing. But no one can protect themselves against an organized and persistant attack. And if you don't believe me pick up a copy of this month's Atlantic Magazine and do some research on the subject. Or call the D.O.D. Or any major power utility in North America. or the CIA. Or the FBI.

JCC

I think you've taken too much asprin.

[Captain Wreckless]

Originally Posted by BP

I blame UBI for bringing this DRM in the first place they should have never have forced this on gamers. I don't have the game and i wont buy the game until this DRM is removed.

CW

[Adriatico]

The main issue is - why Ubi exposed users to all that DRM torture in a first place?

If Ubi was a turist agency - they would take tourist group for Dubai beaches trough Afghan mountins... so if few people get hurt - its not their fault... as they are exposed to a third side actions.

[vivieehk]

it is a crazy and stupid decision of what they made.....
i bought the game, but i need to use a crack to play the game as i cannot have internet all the time with me...

it is totally redicious and irony...

[Reece]

Sorry JCC, I must agree with Jaesen's response here!!

[RSColonel_131st]

Originally Posted by John Channing

See... this is the logic I can't wrap my head around.

This isn't a case where a bunch of morons just decided to pick Ubisoft as the target of the day.

Well, I beg to differ. That's why our logic doesn't match.

UBI was prewarned that such attacks would be taking place. They had about a week to prepare.

Also, unless this is a high-value botnet at work here (I know what a botnet is, so no need to educate me how they are made) it can only be a "manual" DDOS.

A "manual" DDOS by definition is small. A high-value botnet costs a lot of money to use.

So either it's a small DDOS, or some cyber criminal is doing stuff for free that otherwise costs a few hundred thousand dollars.

I don't believe the later, so what do we know about these groups? Are these some guys sitting in an internet cafe, or an organized botnet group?`

Since we don't know these facts, it is impossible to say how well or badly UBI was prepared, and if this attack is in fact anything out of the ordinary in the daily war on the net.

But it seems you are giving the benefit of the doupt to UBI all the time, I give it to them none of the time. Both are valid opinions. Neither is more correct or more factual at this point.

[The Enigma]

What gives you guys the idea it was an attack???
Only because UBI almighty says it was??

Wake up, their servers weren't up for the DRM job. That's all.

[Ships-R-Us]

The only thing that matters in all this poop is "what is". There is offline play, and Ubisoft will abandon the DRM thing. The current offline play thing will even be perfected eventually..........Christ Almighty it has not been even a week and progress is being made toward the arena of player independance. Indepedance from Ubisoft is absolutely inevitable regardless of how and where it came about............

[robbo180265]

Hi guys,

I thought I'd weigh in on this discussion with my thoughts.

When I got the e mail from Neal giving advanced warning about SHV I was stoked. I didn't buy SHIV because I loved the atlantic theater and really wanted more of that. This was a dream come true - More U Boats better graphics , sure the game would be a bit broke when released - it's UBI after all, didn't put me off as I knew about Subsim and knew that eventually it would be a great game.

Then I read about the DRM. A system that forces me to be online whenever I want to play (even in single player mode???)

In 2003 I got divorced and for three years or so I couldn't afford internet access. One of the things that got me through those times was playing SHIII. I was able to "borrow" my friends computers and download all the GWX updates etc - it was a great game that just got better and better.

But wait...... As unlikely as it is to happen again, what if I lost my net connection again? Well for those 3 years I would have had a game that I couldn't play. How could I subscribe to a company that forces a system like that onto me? How could I justfy spending money on a game that I might not even play?

If I'm honest , I read the reviews of the game and am dead jealous of you guys that have got it and have been able to play it. I just can't buy it unless UBI drop this farsical DRM system, that punishes players who do not have access (for whatever reason) to a high speed net connection.

And now fast forward a few months and it would appear that the servers are unable to cope (for whatever reason , ultimatly it doesn't matter whether its an attack by hackers, or an invasion from Mars ) and it would appear that gamers who have spent their hard earned money are unable to play the game.

The reason they can't play the game isn't because of hackers , it's because UBI decided to implement the DRM system. Without the DRM you would all be playing the game right now and thats a fact I'm afraid.

So until UBI drop the DRM I'm afraid I wont be buying the game and thats that. I made my decision a while back before the farce that is happening now, gonna stand by it.

First news item you find if you google "silent hunter 5"

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...rm-shot-pieces Is that really the kind of publicity that UBI wanted?

And from the Gaurdian (my newspaper of choice)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...09/ubisoft-drm