Ubisoft Masterserver down? (merged)

[blackdog_kt]

I've taken a long break from sub-sims, i used to play a lot of SH3 but i didn't have a PC powerful enough for SH4 when it was released plus i prefer the Atlantic theater of operations. Naturally, i was very excited when SH5 was announced, so i've been following this entire DRM thing for some time.

First of all, let me say that i didn't purchase SH5 as i didn't purchase Rise of Flight (which, even if patched to allow offline play i think you still can't access the campaign offline, just single missions).

I have a very simple solution for all of you guys who bought this game, that will hopefully result not just in you playing the game, but in UBI realizing that something is amiss. And because i don't want to be mistaken as a piracy advocate, let's start with the defining question.

If i buy a game and then use modified files to make it run better .... EDIT: Blackdog, I appreciate that you have undertaken the duty to educate everyone about basic cracks 101, and no one is going to say a word to you about what you do on your PC in your den, but you cannot discuss it here, mate. -- NS

[Steeltrap]

Advocating "piracy"?

Start Brig countdown.....

Raises an interesting question through in interesting line of argument, mind you.

[razark]

Originally Posted by blackdog_kt

I've taken a long break from sub-sims, i used to play a lot of SH3 but i didn't have a PC powerful enough for SH4 when it was released plus i prefer the Atlantic theater of operations. Naturally, i was very excited when SH5 was announced, so i've been following this entire DRM thing for some time.

Yeah, and what part of "don't discuss it here" are y'all missing?

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Raises an interesting question through in interesting line of argument, mind you.

Yeah, sadly, the laws here in the US are pretty pro-business. If the customer does something that violates the EULA, the customer would be the one to get squashed.

It might be a decent argument in some other countries, though.

[jwilliams]

@ Blackdog_kt
It is illegal what you are sugesting. How it holds up in court is another story. It's a grey area. So would be best to steer clear.

The distribution and use of cracked copies is illegal in almost every developed country. There have been many lawsuits over cracking software, but most had to do with the distribution of the duplicated product rather than the process of defeating the protection, due to the difficulty of constructing legally sound proof of individual guilt in the latter instance. In the United States, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) made software cracking, as well as the distribution of information that facilitates software cracking, illegal. However, the law has hardly been tested in U.S. courts in cases of reverse engineering for personal use only.[citation needed] The European Union passed the EU Copyright Directive in May 2001, which makes software copyright infringement illegal as the member states pass legislation pursuant to the directive.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_cracking

[Mos]

Only distribution is illegal, not possession.

[Reece]

I think UBI should do the right thing now and issue a patch to remove OSP, problem solved!

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Reece

I think UBI should do the right thing now and issue a patch to remove OSP, problem solved!

What and admit defeat ???


LOL not gonna happen anytime soon

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Mos

Only distribution is illegal, not possession.

Let me hightlight it for you :-
The distribution and use of cracked copies is illegal in almost every developed country

[Mos]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

Let me hightlight it for you :-
The distribution and use of cracked copies is illegal in almost every developed country

The use of pirated copies of software is illegal. The possession of software to break digital rights management software is not.

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Mos

The use of pirated copies of software is illegal. The possession of software to break digital rights management software is not.

I put a link after my quote.. read it... You might be surprised.

But no one has ever been sued over it.... But it's still illegal in most counties (Not all).

So like I said, Its at best a grey area. Best to steer clear.

[razark]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

Let me hightlight it for you :-
The distribution and use of cracked copies is illegal in almost every developed country

Use. If you possess it, but do not use it or distribute it, then it's legal?

However, it depends on the laws of the country you are actually in. Some countries are more restrictive.

Originally Posted by Mos

The use of pirated copies of software is illegal. The possession of software to break digital rights management software is not.

Depends. If you interpret DMCA a certain way, tools that can be used for cracking can be illegal.

In the United States, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) made software cracking, as well as the distribution of information that facilitates software cracking, illegal.

Just for fun, guess what country Subsim is in.

[THE_MASK]

Kid tries to play Silent Hunter 5

[RSColonel_131st]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

@ Blackdog_kt
It is illegal what you are sugesting. How it holds up in court is another story. It's a grey area. So would be best to steer clear.

If there's one thing illegal about this story, then that UBI sells you a game for 50 bucks you can not play because they are unable to protect the necessary infrastructure against the typical internet environment.

[Yorktown_Class]

I have a question,I use to play nascar 2003,until they shut the servers down,granted you can still play in single player mode,but what im wondering,say in a year or 2 UBI decides to shut down there servers for good,what then?
I haven't got the game yet,don't know if I will,but is there a way to keep playing it if they shut the servers down,im thinking no?
EA seems to like to shut down server too after a year or so.

thanks

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by ussiwojima

I have a question,I use to play nascar 2003,until they shut the servers down,granted you can still play in single player mode,but what im wondering,say in a year or 2 UBI decides to shut down there servers for good,what then?
I haven't got the game yet,don't know if I will,but is there a way to keep playing it if they shut the servers down,im thinking no?
EA seems to like to shut down server too after a year or so.

thanks

Ubi have said

OSP is here to stay. We dont plan to shut our servers down. we really dont!
But if we do we plan to release a patch to remove the online connection.

And when asked do you promise to release a patch if the servers are switched off they said

Thats the plan

So they sorta didnt say the would

Your guess is as good as mine.